I need your help identifying a Top-break revolver with no serial #

[KentuckyGun]

See attached photos of the revolver. The only identifying markers on the firearm itself are the numbers "907" located behind the swivel. I'm not sure that is the serial number, as it's not located in S&W's usual placement. There are some numbers on the inside of the handle, but I'm not sure that the handles are original. The only thing I've come close to matching this to is one of the pre-1900, pre-hammerless model 3's. But, they don't quite fit the bill. I "think" the firearm was police issued in the metro Chicago area - which fits with the uses of the Model 3 being issued to military and police organizations.

I have a lot more pictures, but have a 5 pic limit.

I look forward to hearing from you with any info you can dig up. The firearm is a family heirloom that's history has been lost

 

[KentuckyGun]

I didn’t include the image, “safety police” is inscribed on the top of the firearm. Let me load all the other pictures I have to Imgur, and I’ll link it so you guys have all of them.

 

[KentuckyGun]

Here’s links to the remaining images. Thanks again, guys.

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[PALADIN85020]

I'm of the opinion that it's not a Smith and Wesson, but a knock-off with the same size grip frame so it will accept grips made for a S&W of the same type. As far as I know, all true S&W firearms were marked with the logo and/or other identifying information. At the time these guns were popular, there were a lot of imitations.

John

 

[glowe]

Welcome to the Forum. The gun is not a Smith & Wesson. Looking at the hammer, there is no hammer mounted firing pin. Looking at the trigger, it looks like a Hopkins & Allen Safety Police model with S&W stocks.

The gun has been heavily buffed and re-plated at some point in its life, so not any dollar value, but family heirlooms normally have incalculable value to the family!!

 

[Jim Watson]

It is a Hopkins and Allen Safety Police, made 1908-1917, that somewhere along the way got Smith and Wesson grips and aftermarket nickel or chrome plate..

 

[KentuckyGun]

You guys are AWESOME. Hopkins and Allen it is. Thank you much, guys.

 

[glowe]

Let me add an image of the Hopkins Allen revolver in original factory configuration. The stamping Safety Police has no bearing on whether is was used in a police department, but only the model name. This one is a 32 S&W caliber, but I believe they also made this model in 38 S&W caliber as well.

 

[JSR III]

Unfortunately there is a S&W out there somewhere without its factory shoes.....

 

[iby]

shoes

Unfortunately there is a S&W out there somewhere without its factory shoes.....

Hopefully it's new shoes are Ivory

 

[Jim Watson]

Well, we know its number.

H&A had an ingenious safety system, the hammer at rest was against the frame but when the trigger was pulled, it rotated on an eccentric cam to line up with the firing pin. Not as strong as the IJ, but still a step ahead of other revolvers depending on rebounding hammers or a quarter cock notch.