Help Identifying a Smith & Wesson Revolver with “Winchester OTO” Marking – Possible M

[Alk8944]

Well I may be wrong but the trade mark looks odd to me and no where on the gun does it actually say Smith & Wesson. I have a fair number of old S&W K frames and all actually say Smith & Wesson on them. My oldest is #149660 and has the Cartouche and the Smith Wesson name and patent dates on the right side of the barrel.

Give it up! The OPs revolver is a REAL S&W, not a Spanish copy. Roll-mark dies wear and chip and can be otherwise damaged resulting in unusual changes in markings. The S&W Logo is simply "tired" as a result of the finish wear from rust over the many years.

I, too, own numerous old S&W revolvers in both .32-20 and .38 Special and made anywhere from 1905 to the 1950s. There are minor marking differences on a few of them.

I also own an OJANGUREN Y VIDOSA made Spanish copy marked .32-20. There are many very subtle differences between the real S&Ws and the Spanish guns that make the differences extremely obvious if you now what they are! OPs gun has none of these typical differences that the Spanish guns do!

 

[alwslate]

Well good for you Alk. Yes it does indeed appear to be a S&W. But no where on the gun does it have the words Smith & Wesson along with the other factory information. And this is caused by factory roll mark dies being worn and chipped resulting in changes in markings. Do you actually believe this? The real answer might go back to DWalt's post about guns being put together with junk parts to sell with a fake letter to the unwary for profit. The caliber stampings on the barrel look maybe hand stamped so possibly the barrel is a Spanish replacement on a S&W revolver. Also the OP has never returned with any additional information or pics. So you might want to "give up" the notion that you are the final authority on just about everything gun related.

 

[StrawHat]

I just looked, none of my 45 Hand Ejector Model of 1917 have Smith & Wesson marked on the frame. They do not even have the S&W logo on them. Nor are they marked “MADE IN U. S. A.” Must not be real.

Now, the Commercial 45 HE Model of 1917 do have the logo on them and they are marked “MADE IN U. S. A.” But maybe they are fake stamps.

Now, the Brazilian Contract 45 H E Model of 1917 is interesting. It has the small logo, under the cylinder release, and “MADE IN U. S. A.” but there is also a big emblem on the sideplate with a bunch of Portuguese words on it. Must have been made in???

Matter of fact, I do not recall “SMITH & WESSON” on my New Century. And my Model 625-6 does not say “SMITH & WESSON” it either.

I spent good money on these, and now you indicate they are all fake.

Gosh, I sure hope not.

Kevin

 

[Truckman]

I spent good money on these, and now you indicate they are all fake.

They're probably stolen too, Kevin...Since you're my friend just send them to me, and I swear you'll never see them again...No point risking the embarrassment of a jury trial at your age...

No, you can thank me later......Ben

 

[alwslate]

I just looked, none of my 45 Hand Ejector Model of 1917 have Smith & Wesson marked on the frame. They do not even have the S&W logo on them. Nor are they marked “MADE IN U. S. A.” Must not be real.

Now, the Commercial 45 HE Model of 1917 do have the logo on them and they are marked “MADE IN U. S. A.” But maybe they are fake stamps.

Now, the Brazilian Contract 45 H E Model of 1917 is interesting. It has the small logo, under the cylinder release, and “MADE IN U. S. A.” but there is also a big emblem on the sideplate with a bunch of Portuguese words on it. Must have been made in???

Matter of fact, I do not recall “SMITH & WESSON” on my New Century. And my Model 625-6 does not say “SMITH & WESSON” it either.

I spent good money on these, and now you indicate they are all fake.

Gosh, I sure hope not.

Kevin

Your post is irrelevant to the topic in this thread. It's about one revolver that was made during a time when the Smith & Wesson name , company information and patent numbers were roll marked on the barrels and the barrel on the revolver in question doesn't have them. So what's your point, other than just trying to come in late to stir trouble?

 

[StrawHat]

Your post is irrelevant to the topic in this thread. It's about one revolver that was made during a time when the Smith & Wesson name , company information and patent numbers were roll marked on the barrels and the barrel on the revolver in question doesn't have them. So what's your point, other than just trying to come in late to stir trouble?

I was answering this post,

Well I may be wrong but the trade mark looks odd to me and no where on the gun does it actually say Smith & Wesson…

And this one,

Also you're saying it is "A S&W Revolver". Strange but I don't see anywhere on the gun in the pics provided that it actually says "Smith & Wesson". …

Kevin

 

[alwslate]

Sure StrawHat. Your sarcastic comment about your new Mountain Gun being worthless because it doesn't have the words Smith & Wesson on it is relevant to this thread about the 100 year old gun this thread is about

 

[Tom S.]

Keep it civil guys or vacations will be handed out.