I ordered a M&P9 and now I read about all the accuracy issues. Wonderful!
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I bought a full size M&P 9 two weeks ago. So far I have run about 300 rounds through it with no issues. Accuracy is very good - sub-2-inch groups off a rest at 20 yards. The trigger is not stellar, but not as bad as I had expected it to be from the online reviews, either - it's OK for a stock service pistol, but I agree S&W should make this gun with a better stock trigger. Overall, though, I like the pistol a lot. Sarge, hope yours works as well as mine.
Thanks Shiloh
LOL I won't let mine read them either.
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I have the accuracy issues in that one thread you linked. I'm personally waiting for Apex to make the new locking blocks which I hope are still on their table since two trips back and it's still terrible.
In reality, not all FS 9mm M&Ps are inaccurate, so shoot yours, keep the targets and post some pictures in a range report.
In reality, not all FS 9mm M&Ps are inaccurate, so shoot yours, keep the targets and post some pictures in a range report.
I believe the current trend among the very best barrel makers is to use slower twist-rates in 9x19 barrels. I know it is being experimented with, but I am not sure how widely accepted the practice has become.
I agree with you, however, that your service grade gun should be capable of 3-4 inch accuracy at 25 yards with the factory barrel and "non-heroic" ammunition. No argument on that point. I have similar problems right now with an S&W 1911 "Pro Series" 9mm. Have yet to figure out what to do with it.
I have been having accuracy issues but with prescription shooting glasses and practice my groups have been getting smaller. My personal opinion is that the stock trigger is so stiff (around 7 pounds) that a smooth trigger pull is difficult. I also don't like the sight picture. The front sight dot goes on the center of the bull which on some targets covers the bull. This make precision shooting difficult. I have been e-mailing S&W about the trigger pull. They want me to spend $120 for the action package. I also think that a good set of adjustable sights instead of the stock sights would be a major plus.
The M&P is not and will never be a bullseye type gun. Not in the trigger or in the one hole accuracy so many seem to think it is supposed to deliver.
It is however an outstanding firearm for what it is primarily designed for.
If you NEED x-ring accuracy buy a 52 or a 952 but don't expect them to deliver all day long X-ring accuracy without a good deal of pampering either.
Each of these guns has a niche and they do that job VERY well.ie. A Ferrari would make a lousy SUV and a Jeep Grand Cherokee is a lousy Gran Prix race car. they each have a much different job to do.
So....In my humble opinion....don't try to turn a Jeep into a Ferrari and be disappointed when it doesn't measure up.
Randy
It is however an outstanding firearm for what it is primarily designed for.
If you NEED x-ring accuracy buy a 52 or a 952 but don't expect them to deliver all day long X-ring accuracy without a good deal of pampering either.
Each of these guns has a niche and they do that job VERY well.ie. A Ferrari would make a lousy SUV and a Jeep Grand Cherokee is a lousy Gran Prix race car. they each have a much different job to do.
So....In my humble opinion....don't try to turn a Jeep into a Ferrari and be disappointed when it doesn't measure up.
Randy
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There are many who aren't really looking for bullseye accuracy, but for the same groups much older, looser and even much cheaper 9mm handguns can produce. My P89 is no target gun and it was the least accurate 9mm gun I owned, until I got the FS M&P.
The 9mm Shield I have can shoot circles around my FS example even though I have one less finger on the grip and a much shorter sight radius so in reality, I'd like the FS to at least shoot like a service gun should. I'd hate to be a cop and have to pull the trigger, shoot one bullet COM and have the next one hit an arm or the neck even though I was aiming at the same COM area.
The 9mm Shield I have can shoot circles around my FS example even though I have one less finger on the grip and a much shorter sight radius so in reality, I'd like the FS to at least shoot like a service gun should. I'd hate to be a cop and have to pull the trigger, shoot one bullet COM and have the next one hit an arm or the neck even though I was aiming at the same COM area.
I have an original production 9mm barrel I use in my .357 M&PC.
There are no accuracy problems at all, even using cheap Federal and Tula 115 gr. ammo.
My friends that shoot Glocks, and a Kahrs, are very impressed with the accuracy of the M&P.
There are no accuracy problems at all, even using cheap Federal and Tula 115 gr. ammo.
My friends that shoot Glocks, and a Kahrs, are very impressed with the accuracy of the M&P.
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Read my Post in this Thread.-Dick
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/257866-m-p-9mm-accuracy-issues-3.html
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/257866-m-p-9mm-accuracy-issues-3.html
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I have three M&P 9mm, and I have no issues with any of theses weapons.
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I believe the purported accuracy issues are bogus. I have three M&P and they all are more than sufficiently accurate. My M&P45 full size is remakably accurate 1 1/2 to 2 inch 10 shot groups at 50 ft and reliable with everyuthing from LSWC to JHP & FMJ ammo. They are not bullseye guns designed for 2 inch groups at 50 yards but are great guns for defensive purposes as well as all the pistolo games - USPSA, IDPA, Steel Challenge, etc..
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I'm glad your 45 is accurate. Some (not all) FS 9mm models have accuracy issues. I guess we're all just beginners and all of the other 80+ handguns I've owned that were more accurate were all flukes
Maybe S&W should sell all of the M&Ps in stones so only the worthy may pull it from them.....ETA: Also, maybe we should tell Apex to stop making barrels and locking blocks to fix the early unlocking that they're aware of since the accuracy issues are all fake. I've never had one of my twenty 1911 examples that have failed with any 230gr. ammo so all those people talking about jams, FTE, FTF and so on are all baloney I guess.
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I guess my M&Ps are illiterate too. I have never had accuracy issues with any of them. Having owned lots of guns does not equal being a good shooter. Just means that you had $$$$$$ to buy them over some years. Proper TRAINING and practice paves the way for better shooting. Something that too many fail to do. When I do get into accuracy issues, I blame myself forgetting the fundamentals.
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The difference is all of my guns have shot very well. It took no more than a box of cheap range ammo at the max to shoot them like second nature and ALL of them were more accurate than my M&P full size with a great deal more consistency in POI. I've shot 750rds and counting in 3 different weights and 7 different brands of ammo, benched, off hand and it's always the same result. As a matter of fact, I've never had to bench a handgun to get tight groups which dosn't even work for the M&P.
Yep, I don't know how to shoot, guess M&Ps can only have the gifted shoot and learn them well enough. My Shield shoots like a dream...it must be possessed since it out shoots my FS example
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The accuracy issue is only with the Full Size M&P 9mm models. Not the SHIELD,Compacts,45acp models,.40 S&W or .357SIG.
Not all M&P FS 9mm models are affected,some get a decent one,some get a mediocre one some get a really bad one.
I have plenty of other 9mm service style pistols.SIG,BHP,Glock,XD and XDM,H&K,Tokerov,1911s.They all shoot well and to the point of aim.All have different triggers and still I shoot them well and no complaints.
My M&P FS 9mm is not consistent and does not shoot to point of aim.Yeah its not a great trigger but neither is my Chinese #213 and I manage that.
Yes,many are running M&Ps in various competitions and I see a lot of APEX users and after market barrels being used.
If I wanted bullseye accuracy I would build another one or get a SIG P210 or X5 or a S&W 52.
I have never had a service gun this bad. I would carry my Model 10 pencil barrel with 158 LRN over my M&P 9mm.
Not all M&P FS 9mm models are affected,some get a decent one,some get a mediocre one some get a really bad one.
I have plenty of other 9mm service style pistols.SIG,BHP,Glock,XD and XDM,H&K,Tokerov,1911s.They all shoot well and to the point of aim.All have different triggers and still I shoot them well and no complaints.
My M&P FS 9mm is not consistent and does not shoot to point of aim.Yeah its not a great trigger but neither is my Chinese #213 and I manage that.
Yes,many are running M&Ps in various competitions and I see a lot of APEX users and after market barrels being used.
If I wanted bullseye accuracy I would build another one or get a SIG P210 or X5 or a S&W 52.
I have never had a service gun this bad. I would carry my Model 10 pencil barrel with 158 LRN over my M&P 9mm.
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