I seriously can't take anymore of the 3rd gen prices

There all so expensive because Denver Dick has the market cornered. :)

A very nice collection you have there. Thanks for sharing.

To the OP, I see what you are saying. And it's funny because the overpriced ones are always the worst looking ones out there with ratty finishes and completely polished slides and frames as if someone was trying to make them aesthetically improved. All the 3rd gens I have picked up that have been high quality finishes were also the ones I paid the least for. I think it goes to say that people are gnerally confused about how to price these guns. As another poster said, they are entering the collectible years and I think we are seeing how the price starts to mature. Because of this, I think there are still great deals to be had.
 
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Over the last year I've bought a few guns to fill in gaps in my collection, a new Glock 23 ($500), a used Glock 27 ($350), a Walther P1 ($350), a Walther P38 (post war) ($300) and a 5906 ($340). I won't compare the 5906 to the Glocks, they each have their own place but I sure wish I'd got two 3rd gens instead of two Walthers! The 5906 is a lot of gun for the money.
 
...Let me ask this, do you see the price of a 15 year old Camaro even in the same ballpark as a new one?

That's like comparing apples and pees... :rolleyes:

If you got the right name on your 4th gen Camaro it's even more worth ;)

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That's nice, but im third gen guy

Looks nice.

The Dick Harrell is not mine btw. I wish... gotta wipe off the drool on my keyboard ;)

But btt: What is value? Value is only what somebody is willing to pay for it. It was always like that and will ever be.

Look what a Yeko cost btw. I cannot even afford a rusty fender of a Yenko Camaro... :o
 
Looks nice.

The Dick Harrell is not mine btw. I wish... gotta wipe off the drool on my keyboard ;)

But btt: What is value? Value is only what somebody is willing to pay for it. It was always like that and will ever be.

Look what a Yeko cost btw. I cannot even afford a rusty fender of a Yenko Camaro... :o

What I'm saying is yeah, there might be that one person out there that is willing to overpay for something, but finding them is a different matter
 
Personally, I'd rather have a restored '70 Cuda than any of the new ones Chrysler's come out with. It was pure sex, IMHO(had one). I just bought a 4516-1 sans the box for $499 plus 25 shipping. That's $524 for a well maintained, reliable compact 45 and I'd rather have spent that on on all steel S&W that the same amount of money on a G30SF...or any other Glock for that matter.

It all boils down to what you want, how bad and what are you willing to spend. Look at the tremendous prices a Colt Python cost. I couldn't afford one back in 1978 much less now that they've skyrocketed.

BTW, Denver-If ever you decide to sell any more of those, drop me a pm.:)
 
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Everybody thinks prices are too high. Unless they happen to be selling. Then it's a different story.


HAH, you got that right, glad someone said it. When people try to low ball me, I ask them "would you sell that item for the same amount you offered me?"............there's usually silence after that.:rolleyes:
 
Im in Ky.6906 local gun show Non le excellent safe queen.with box and all the goodies inside was 340.00 Local Gunshop 5906 very nice with out box 310.00 Alaska state police DPS with the bear on the slide with box very nice with some wear off Gunbrooker for 400 plus shipping to the house. All bought by me with in the last 3 months
 
Prices are terrible. McDonalds adds $2.59 to add egg to a $1.00 breakfast sandwich. Birdseye white corn is $3.29 for a pound. That was the bushell price a few years back.

McDonald's took a sandwich that was over $2 and reduced it to $1 as a single cheap alternative...they could have left it priced as it was and had no alternative! Glass half full I think.
 
Thanks for the positive comments about my S&W 3rd Gens.

I think one has to keep in mind that not all 3rds are the same. In the first photo, that 645 (I bought in late 2009) was the first I had run across in as-new-in-the-box condition while hunting for S&W autos. The pistol is basically perfect. So, I paid the asking $650 price.

In the "big boys" photo, the three on the right are 10mm pistols. They were only made for a year or two. Thus, the production figures are limited. Now, the 4576 (bottom, left) was around 97% condition without a box. I found it on consignment in early 2007. It was around $600. I thought that was a little high, but I had never seen or even heard of one. I bought it. According to the factory letter I obtained on it, only 1,386 of these were made. They are hard to come by.

In the fourth photo, (single-stack compacts), the blue pistol is a 4014. I found it listed at a store quite a distance from my home. The price was around $400 in 99%, no box. Again, I had never seen one of these and figured not many had been made. I was correct; the factory letter states there were only 550 made. Because it has a black alloy frame, it's very hard to find in 99% condition.

My point here is that there is big difference between these 3rd gens and the ubiquitous 5906, 4006, 4506 or 6906. The latter were used by many, many LE agencies around the U.S. They are found almost everywhere in condition ranging from trashed to NIB. They are not hard to find. While I do have one of each of those, I do not seek them out nor do I pay much for them.

The 3913 is a market unto itself. There were a whole lot of these made and should be relatively cheap. However, they're also sought out by whole lot of guys. In other words, they have a very, very strong following. I have three myself, an early one (1992), a late one with night sights (1996), and a TSW pre-rail (1999). Note the pre-rail was only offered for two years and is harder to find then the ones with the rail.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. The 6904 (fifth photo) is the blue version of the 6906. The blue 3rd gens were not nearly as popular as the silvers pistols. There are far fewer blues around; next time you're at a gun show keep count of how many blues you see. In addition, the blues, with their black alloy frames, show every nick and scratch. So, finding one in 99%+ condition becomes problematic. Assuming both pistols are 99% condition, I would pay more (probably 20% or so) for the blue.

Another example, I sold my 99% 5906, but kept my 99% 5903 and 99% 915. Why did I keep the ones I did? During my years of looking, the 5903 (alloy frame 5906) that I bought without box was the only one I'd seen in that condition. The 915 I purchased was the only one of those in that condition I'd seen. On the other hand, I'd seen many, many 5906 pistols ranging from 95% to NIB.

Final example, I had two 4006 pistols, both in 99% condition. The one I kept was the only one I'd seen with factory adjustable sights. The one I sold was one of many, many I'd seen over the years.

IMHO, as these pistols become more collectable, these are the things that will make a difference in pricing.

FWIW
 
Good write up Denver Dick. Your exactly right. In reality I'm searching out the more common ones. Example, at this point I own a 4006, 5946, 3904, 4013, and, well a 745. With the exception of the 745 I paid around 400 for each of them, usually less, and they are all in really great condition but came without boxes. I want to add a 5906, 4506, and a 1006. And later on a couple older ones like a 645 and a 659. I have no problem paying a fair price for any one of these that's in really good condition. What I can't stand is when I see a 1006 at cabeles for $800 that looks like it was used as a hammer to build someone's house. I'm just saying I'm not unreasonable or looking for "the best deal", I'm saying I think people forgot about overall gun condition when they do they're pricing. Example, locally there is a 5906 that is completely tore up for $525 no box. I wouldnt bat an eyelash if it was LNIB, and it would already be in my safe. I would even pay close to 600. I just think people that are doing the pricing arent taking into account the actual condtion of the gun they are selling.
 
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Just seen a 3913 tactical @ gander 699.99$ in decent cond.
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I looked at that one also but around the corner from there at a LGS I got a 3913 with box and three mags in better condition for 475.
BTW they have a 1006 for about 500 in good condition don't know if they have the box or not and prices there are negotiable
if you are interested where just PM me and I'll give you directions.:cool:
 
Interesting read. As I see it I really think that this board is responsible for the prices. It goes in waves. I can remember the 520 craze, then the 27 craze, the model 10 craze, and more recently the model 17/18 craze-with each driving up the prices. Now it seems we have moved into the semi auto phrase and at present are dealing with the third generation-specificallt the 39 series and the Chief Special series. The trick it seems is to be able to guess which area will become hot next. Before the 38-44 HD's took off, I bought what could best be describes as a mint near new example 4" for $300 at a local show. I sold it a few months later to a forum member for $500 and was quite happy as was the forum member. I doubt that he would sell it today for less than $1000 and it would probably get a bit more given the outstanding condition. Should I have held on to it???? Maybe-but I almost doubled my money and when he gets around to selling it, he will double his money. Or if the market tanks on the 38-44HD's he will no doubt be able to sell it for what he has in it. It is the market place at work-capitalism at it's raw pure unbridled best.
 
Interesting read. As I see it I really think that this board is responsible for the prices. It goes in waves. I can remember the 520 craze, then the 27 craze, the model 10 craze, and more recently the model 17/18 craze-with each driving up the prices. Now it seems we have moved into the semi auto phrase and at present are dealing with the third generation-specificallt the 39 series and the Chief Special series. The trick it seems is to be able to guess which area will become hot next. Before the 38-44 HD's took off, I bought what could best be describes as a mint near new example 4" for $300 at a local show. I sold it a few months later to a forum member for $500 and was quite happy as was the forum member. I doubt that he would sell it today for less than $1000 and it would probably get a bit more given the outstanding condition. Should I have held on to it???? Maybe-but I almost doubled my money and when he gets around to selling it, he will double his money. Or if the market tanks on the 38-44HD's he will no doubt be able to sell it for what he has in it. It is the market place at work-capitalism at it's raw pure unbridled best.
I think.your completely right. Forums, eBay, etc creates crazes within themselves then they spill out into the real world. I just hope the one store in my area with reasonable used prices don't read this forum! :)
 
I got curious and dug out my old original box the 4506 came in and the sticker price was $509.95. That was back in late 1990. I'd gladly pay that again. This is the only pistol I've never even considered trading/selling.(My avatar)
 
I got curious and dug out my old original box the 4506 came in and the sticker price was $509.95. That was back in late 1990. I'd gladly pay that again. This is the only pistol I've never even considered trading/selling.(My avatar)

So your telling me you won't take that for it right now? Lol
 
While I completely agree with Caj, here's my take on this...

They ain't makin 3rd gens any more... they're all metal... they shoot better than I do... if I want one and it's reasonably within my budget I'll jump on it like an Oklahoma chicken on a June bug in May... and finally... I'm a firm believer in buying high and selling low - it's my contribution to the economy and a way to spread the S&W fever to unsuspecting converts... :D
 
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I just bet if you had 12 stashed and wanted to buy something else you would be thrilled
The world is one place if you are a buyer and another if your a seller
Hank

Pythons must really make you crazy!
 
I think this thread alone is going to drive prices up 10%!
Okay, you got me! That's why I posted those photos.

Here, let's see if we can't shoot (pardon the pun) for 12%. ;). These are from a period when I was shooting almost exclusively 3rd gens. Once you get use to the triggers, they shoot pretty good. ;)

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The 1006 below groups a hair right. Maybe I'll sell it . . . NOT! :eek:
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I am the original owner of the 4013 below. I purchased it in 1995. The only 3rd gen I own that I purchased new.
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I got no excuse for those two strays below and the one above . . . maybe there was a pretty blond gal shooting next to me . . . hey, it's the best I could come up with. :rolleyes:
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Your killing me Dick, now I'm envious of your guns and your shooting, maybe I should go home and use a gun on myself! Lol jokin
 
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