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[thebeamanater107]

100% right on leaving. But i disagree about not closing a bar and going to another. Why not have a good time. If something l like that starts to happen just leave. The only problem I see is telling someone you just befriended that you are in fact carrying at the moment. I can see having a discussion about firearms. ...it's a topic. ....but not telling them that you are packing.

I've been going to bars socially for the last 13 years. I have a good time, see old friends, make new ones. Often we close the bar. In all this time I often have a gun, mostly because I was out and doing something else before that. 99% of the time I leave it in the car, sometimes I don't. However in all this time I have yet to walk out angry. I always have a good time. If I see a problem starting I/we leave. I don't care for beer muscles and have nothing to prove. I've never been in a situation where I was in the middle of a confrontation of any part of it. I don't get why that's so hard to do

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It was time for us to leave anyway. Jay starting to get extra dumb simply threw up all the red flags saying we need to hasten our exit. I don't usually close the bar. I usually stay and hang out until I get tired and I'm in bed at 11pm. The other night I was wide awake and hanging out with the girls at midnight. So if I go back to my normal routine of leaving in a timely manner, then I might not be in another bad situation.

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[Arik]

So i should just sit home? That is the only 100% sure way not to get killed by an idiot drunk. I can give you this case......a friend's father was killed by a drunk on a nice Sunday morning while sitting at a stop light. I guess just sit at home

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[Frizzman]

I don't go to bars since I rarely drink alcohol and dislike being around drunks. As many have said, drinking and guns don't mix anywhere or anytime. If I did intend going to a bar, I would leave the gun in my safe. If that idiot had started telling someone that they better watch out because his "friend" is carrying a gun, then what?...At that point, like it or not, you are involved...My policy is that I NEVER discuss my status regarding concealed carry with anyone in public. There are only two people who are aware that I am armed at times...One is my wife and the other is my best friend for the past forty years. That has worked well for me since I began carrying concealed as a young police officer in 1978. That is also why openly carrying anywhere but in the wilderness is not an option for me. I have seen experienced law enforcement officers do stupid things with guns when drinking or being around drunken people. This is literally "deadly business" and unforgiving of bad choices.

 

[Autococker07]

I will only discuss the subject of CCW (to the extent of my doing it or not) with folks who have both a need to know, and my trust....

Its the same as the alarm company signs on your front yard... you can advertise you have an alarm (and its type) or you can shut up and let it do its job.... I am sure from your post that Jay taught you a LOT about who to discuss CCW with (again, in respect to "do you carry").

I carried every day at the gun store I worked at, and was asked at least once a week "are you carrying now?" my answer was always the same.... a VERY GRUFF "none of your business", followed by a polite explanation of just how rude that question is/was.

 

[vytoland]

this is a great story......for face book, my space, twitter, you tube........

 

[Erich]

So i should just sit home? That is the only 100% sure way not to get killed by an idiot drunk. I can give you this case......a friend's father was killed by a drunk on a nice Sunday morning while sitting at a stop light. I guess just sit at home

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As I said,

You should, of course, do whatever you want - whatever you decide is right for you, is.

My post replying to yours was only in response to your claiming to be perplexed about why people on this thread were suggesting not closing one bar and going to another - not to tell you what to do. You're grown: you decide what you should do. But if you're going to ask for clarification, you'll get it.

 

[Arik]

Never said that

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[Jaysq]

And at least I type my stories in here with the intent on learning and improving myself. Others don't. Just imagine if I continued thinking I was right and went out and did this again!

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Well, we have all pounded on you pretty hard but I think the important thing is....You have learned something from all this. Carrying a gun is serious business and I think you now get that.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Not bashing the OP, but things like this should be considered BEFORE carrying a gun.

 

[Mr Pokeyman]

Haven't had a drink in close to 32 years. Sat in the bar at Texas Roadhouse 2 weeks ago eating a cheeseburger with my wife. Aside from the fact that I didn't order a steak, how does that make me a fool?

If anything can go wrong, it probably will. How was the cheeseburger?

 

[Murdock]

Most of our good judgement comes from experience. Most of our experience comes from having had bad judgement.

If your younger brother had been in the same situation, what advice would you give him?

Stay safe, brother.

 

[American1776]

My own personal thoughts:

Stay out of bars. Nothing good ever happens there.

 

[Protected One]

So i should just sit home? That is the only 100% sure way not to get killed by an idiot drunk. I can give you this case......a friend's father was killed by a drunk on a nice Sunday morning while sitting at a stop light. I guess just sit at home

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There's a lot of choices other than sitting home or going to the bar.

 

[Engine 21]

To much drama - sorry but this all centers around you making poor decisions. 1. NEVER, ever, even think of "loaning" a gun out. 2. NEVER, ever tell people you are carrying. 3. Pick better people to hang with. If you can't clean up your act don't expect your "friends" to do it for you. If your gun goes "BOOM" it doesn't matter who has it - your on the hook and your next call is to a criminal defense attorney.

If I were you - I would leave the gun at home.

Sorry, but that is just the way I see it.

 

[speedyquad]

this is a great story......for face book, my space, twitter, you tube........

perfect for here...it was a learning situation...the OP now knows something he had not thought about...telling some one that he is carrying as opposed to saying nothing(preferable) or leading them to believe that he was not...now he knows and knowing is half the battle...

we all should strive to be "teachers of the gun" if you will

 

[Don 73]

I'm not going to get into the bar VS restaurant issue, but I do want to restate what has already been said because I think it is a vital point. You just need to be more aware of the type of people you hang around. For example: My neighbor is about my age, works hark at landscaping, helps his parents and is up to date on his child support, generally a nice guy ... until you figure in his multiple arrests and convictions for crystal meth possession and distribution. I might say hi to the guy if the situation arose, but no way in hell would I go out and have a few beers with him, even if he has been clean for a while (if he has).

I'm just saying that you may have to shrink your circle of friends or "screen" them a bit closer before 'hanging out.'

 

[venomballistics]

I'm not going to get into the bar VS restaurant issue, but I do want to restate what has already been said because I think it is a vital point. You just need to be more aware of the type of people you hang around. For example: My neighbor is about my age, works hark at landscaping, helps his parents and is up to date on his child support, generally a nice guy ... until you figure in his multiple arrests and convictions for crystal meth possession and distribution. I might say hi to the guy if the situation arose, but no way in hell would I go out and have a few beers with him, even if he has been clean for a while (if he has).

I'm just saying that you may have to shrink your circle of friends or "screen" them a bit closer before 'hanging out.'

In his defense, all too often, one is subject to the screening process of others in your crew, who all too often, suck in their ability to do so.

Change of venue is in order.

 

[Rastoff]

thebeamanater107,
I admit that I didn't read all the posts in this thread. Even so, I appreciate your candor and attitude. I'm glad you decided not to loan your gun as that would have been a very poor choice.

There is a lot to learn for all of us. I just hope others are as willing to learn as you are.

 

[Squarebutt]

Haven't seen this mentioned, and hopefully our helpful attorneys or LEO's will provide the correct answer. I've always been told that it is illegal for a federally "prohibited person", aka a convicted felon, to touch a firearm anywhere at any time. If the OP had loaned his gun to Mike and the police were called, would our OP have been facing charges?

 

[Rastoff]

Good point Squarebutt. Yes, you cannot legally loan a gun to a person who is legally prevented from owning a firearm. If something happened and the cops were called, the OP would have been culpable.