I 've a dream:a new defense(no to kill people) revolver model .45 ACP PC

[Rod-Man]

I think that the best revolver for personal defense(not for killer) must have the better accuracy,autonomy,the best one stop shot and the less recoil ,detection, noise and blaze possible but at least portable in a little bag;of course it must be resistant and reliable.
I have a dream:a new pc 625 model cal.45 ACP in 4 inch barrel compensated and 8 runds,perfectly capable of firing at the best ammo of 230 grain likehttp://www.venturamunitions.com/45-acp-230-gr-rnfp-load-x-match-500-rounds/ this for real defense or thisfor training targets.
What's Your opinion revo shooters?

 

[scooter123]

Can't happen. There is a very real limit to how many large holes that will fit into a cylinder of a specific diameter. In the N frame that limit is 6 rounds of 45 ACP, NOT 7 and certainly NOT 8. To get an 8 shot 45 ACP you would need to use a cylinder that is larger in diameter than that used in the X frame 500 Magnum. The end result is your 8 shot revolver won't be very portable. In fact the cylinder would have to be so large that the end result would be a rather ungainly revolver.

 

[Dennis The B]

For starters, the cylinder in a Model 625 is only large enough for six rounds.

Why would you want a compensated revolver in .45ACP? In an N frame, the .45ACP is a very mild cartridge, something akin to a .38 in a K frame. The existing 625/25 revolvers chambered in .45ACP will handle any of the ammo you have linked. Once the trigger is pulled, there's no such thing as "non-detection", and any revolver being compensated will throw out enough flash to ruin your natural night vision. Even a .22 is painful, especially when used in confined spaces.

Self defense may require the death of an attacker. When you shoot for center mass, the assumption is that the shot will be a stopper, and probably lethal.

 

[BlackTalonJHP]

It's a nice idea, but how are you going to fit 8 rounds of .45 ACP in an N frame?

 

[chud333]

And if you are looking for the ultimate as you say, "One shot" stopping power revolver why do you even need an 8 shot wheelgun to begin
with? I've got mine already. It was manufactured in 1954.
A pre-27 with a 3 1/2" barrel loaded with "anything" except FMJ.
I'm not worried about concealability as i'm a large man.
I don't worry about the flash either, it will be worse for the perp
than for me. Also don't care about the noise as i'm already deaf.
Just my personal "perfect" self defense piece. I'm sure others
will have a different gun in mind but this one will serve me well.


Chuck

 

[cornfed83]

In addition to being ungainly, I thing that 8 shots of .45 ACP is unnecessary. If I can't hit what I need to with 6 or another 6 on a moonclip that I would have handy then I'm doing something wrong. As a general rule people who shoot revolver a lot are better shots than people who have super high capacity magazine fed pistols because they have to hit what they are aiming at in 6 rounds whereas the tupperware gunners can sit and sling lead at what they are aiming at.

If you really feel the need to fire 8 rounds from a revolver go with the 627 or 327, the .357 Mag is more than capable of stopping someone in their tracks as well or better than a .45 ACP, but that's an entirely different argument.

 

[Dale53]

I agree with part of the premise of the O.P. I have a pair of 625's and either will do (in spite of "only" six shots) what is needed and do it well.

My choice of bullet would be home cast of either the Mihec #68 200 gr SWC at 1000 fps or the Mihec 200 gr H.P. since I have and use both of those bullets. If you are a fan of 230 gr bullets, then the Lee 230 gr TC bullet would be another viable choice (especially nice for a quick reload with full moon clips). Here is the Mihec 200 gr H.P.

Here is the NOE 250 gr clone of the Lyman 454424:

For the heavy bullet fan it would be hard to do better than the NOE mould for the Lyman 454424 (a 250 gr Keith SWC) bullet.

I am getting too old to drag a deer out of the woods (age 77 this June) but the 454424 at 900+ fps (safely available in the 625 with auto rim cases) will shoot end for end through a deer at 100 yards.

I neither need nor WANT a compensator for self defense.

Just a thought or two...

Dale53

 

[M2MikeGolf]

With all those requirements, I think it would just be easier to "settle" for a 1911/A1. In the meantime, a Model 22 will do just fine, thank you.

 

[Fat Old Guy]

I think that the best revolver for personal defense(not for killer)

I'm confused by this part. "Not for killer"? To shoot and not kill? Or for law abiding people and not murders?

If it is the latter, how would that be accomplished? The gun store clerk would ask, "Are you planning to murder someone with this gun? Yes? Then I can't sell it to you. Let me show you a nice Glock, the choice of murderers everywhere."

Enough on that.

Eight .45 charge holes in a cylinder would just be too big.

 

[BCDWYO]

I've got an 8-shooter 45 acp...its called a 1911!

 

[Doug M.]

Dale53, do you load your own or are those commercial? That 250 grain Keith looks like a winner.

 

[WrongWay]

I think that the best revolver for personal defense(not for killer) must have the better accuracy,autonomy,the best one stop shot and the less recoil ,detection, noise and blaze possible but at least portable in a little bag;of course it must be resistant and reliable.
I have a dream:a new pc 625 model cal.45 ACP in 4 inch barrel compensated and 8 runds,perfectly capable of firing at the best ammo of 230 grain likehttp://www.venturamunitions.com/45-acp-230-gr-rnfp-load-x-match-500-rounds/ this for real defense or thisfor training targets.
What's Your opinion revo shooters?

Glock already makes that, it's called G21 SF.

 

[Dale53]

Doug M;
I both cast my own and load my own. My revolvers will likely never see a jacketed bullet. I actually prefer cast to any jacketed bullet (even in my .357 Magnums and .44 magnums).

I was at the range today with my 625-8 and Mihec #68 SWC ahead of Titegroup powder. It was a terrific day at the range!

Dale53

 

[Stainz]

I don't want a revolver with autonomy. How can a 'thing' make a rationale decision? That is up to the shooter. The last thing I would want in a defensive battle is to squeeze the trigger and have the revolver refuse to fire because the assailant has kind eyes or had fathered 15 illegitimate children who depend on his his robbing and assaulting me for their existence.

Shoot a .45 ACP revolver - even with 'just' ball ammo - then ask yourself if it needs a compensator - my answer there is an emphatic no. A Governor might be ideal - .410 birdshot if you want to aggravate the assailant, .45 ACP or .45 Colt if you intend to legally defend yourself. Too much recoil? Put some S&W/Hogue .500 Magnum monogrips on it - that will nicely pad the backstrap.

Stainz

 

[Birddog2]

Why eight?
Can't remember who said it, but, " in a gunfight, you can't miss fast enough to win".
In any imaginable SD situation ( not LEO or miitary) , if one needs eight shots, there were more targets than one could be expected to defeat or the bad guys did not have guns.

 

[kenjen]

i thank a 45acp in a gun somewhat like the 640 with 5 shots would be nice

 

[OldArcher]

Well, if you want small, and ten rounds...

Glock 30SF. Can use magazines from 9 to 17rds.

As accurate as the G21SF, just smaller, and softer shooting than any revolver of .357 or larger caliber...

Sorry, but TEN beans in a wheel? Are you thinking Civil War era LaMat revolver? Not portable, and very heavy for CC wear... Smith model 29 w/8 3/8" barrel is smaller, lighter...

OA, out...

 

[OldArcher]

Absolutely correct!!!

I don't want a revolver with autonomy. How can a 'thing' make a rationale decision? That is up to the shooter. The last thing I would want in a defensive battle is to squeeze the trigger and have the revolver refuse to fire because the assailant has kind eyes or had fathered 15 illegitimate children who depend on his his robbing and assaulting me for their existence.

Shoot a .45 ACP revolver - even with 'just' ball ammo - then ask yourself if it needs a compensator - my answer there is an emphatic no. A Governor might be ideal - .410 birdshot if you want to aggravate the assailant, .45 ACP or .45 Colt if you intend to legally defend yourself. Too much recoil? Put some S&W/Hogue .500 Magnum monogrips on it - that will nicely pad the backstrap.

Stainz

My S&W/Hogue .500 Magnum monogrips will arrive by Friday, and man, am I excited! Just what these tired old arthritic hands needed!

Birddog2, when it comes to speed, Marshall Wyatt Earp said it best, "Make haste, slowly." He meant that it was far more important to put your first bullet where it would do the most good- in the bad guy, stopping him, there and then- dead. In gunfights, then and now, there is no second place.

OA, out...

 

[team sidewinder]

Just can't figure out the " for personal defense not for killing people " part of this post aside from the gun/ammo question.

Better not even carry a gun for personal defense purposes if you don't want to kill or plan to kill whatever threatens your personal safety. No perp is going to thank you for just wounding him/her.

 

[627 city hunter]

No to the 8 shot .45 revolver.

Your English language skills are foreign.

I apologize. No mods asked me to either. At the time of your post it didn't say a location: Europe.