I would love it if S&W applied their subcompact 9mm magazine technology to a DA/SA

[Noffinater]

I would love it if S&W applied their subcompact 9mm magazine technology to a DA/SA

One of the more impressive and practical handgun innovations in recent years is this new magazine engineering to cram 12+ rounds of 9mm into a such a small magazine. S&W and Sig both did the smart thing and build a simple striker gun around the new magazine, putting excellent CCW products on the market.

I've been training with a full size Beretta 92 more recently and am really interested in a DA/SA for CCW, but the 92 is a big gun. I would love a DA/SA gun with the footprint and magazine capacity of a Shield Plus or CSX

There's a couple good options in the 'compact' range on the market now, but not many. The CZ P07, Beretta PX4 compact are the two I can think of. Walther may have an option. But once you get to the subcompact size, the few options available are single stack with 7-8 round capacity. Essentially I’m looking for a CSX in DA/SA.

Do you think there is a market for this? DA/SA guns are falling out of fashion but for my own reasons I'm really beginning to prefer it the more I train with one.

 

[LVSteve]

One of the more impressive and practical handgun innovations in recent years is this new magazine engineering to cram 12+ rounds of 9mm into a such a small magazine. S&W and Sig both did the smart thing and build a simple striker gun around the new magazine, putting excellent CCW products on the market.

I've been training with a full size Beretta 92 more recently and am really interested in a DA/SA for CCW, but the 92 is a big gun. I would love a DA/SA gun with the footprint and magazine capacity of a Shield Plus or CSX

There's a couple good options in the 'compact' range on the market now, but not many. The CZ P07, Beretta PX4 compact are the two I can think of. Walther may have an option. But nothing I know of in that subcompact size with more than an 8-9 round capacity.

Do you think there is a market for this? DA/SA guns are falling out of fashion but for my own reasons I'm really beginning to prefer it the more I train with one.

The DA/SA guns on sale today are largely left overs introduced in the late 90s early 2000s. The military and LE are not buying them any more, so the likelihood of a manufacturer investing in a subcompact DA/SA gun are small. If you want it metal, the chances get smaller still.

 

[Noffinater]

The DA/SA guns on sale today are largely left overs introduced in the late 90s early 2000s. The military and LE are not buying them any more, so the likelihood of a manufacturer investing in a subcompact DA/SA gun are small. If you want it metal, the chances get smaller still.

I would agree with all this, but I would also think this logic applies even more so to SAO guns. As far as I can tell, the SAO market appeals to competition shooters and 1911 guys, and yet S&W produced the CSX which doesn’t seem to fit either of those uses.

 

[Erocksmash]

I feel like this has been done with the 6906?

Compact yes, but almost the same size as say a G26...

 

[Telecaster]

3913, anyone?

 

[waffles]

I feel like this has been done with the 6906?

Compact yes, but almost the same size as say a G26...

The 6906 is substantially chunkier, the shield plus, G43x/G48, and P365/365XL are a different beast entirely.

Unless there's a technical issue I'm not seeing I'm sure somebody will make something like that, but I doubt it'll be S&W. I like DA/SA just fine but it's been surpassed by striker guns, and I don't see S&W bringing one out anytime soon.

 

[kbm6893]

The CSX would already be in my safe if it was DA/SA. Personally, I think it’s going to be a flop. After the 1911 guys scratch the itch, it’s gonna languish in sales. Not a lot of market for a subcompact SA pistol. I don’t know anyone who carries a Sig 938. It’s gonna be like the Springfield XDE. Lots of interest at first and then it’s gonna fade.

 

[kbm6893]

The 6906 is substantially chunkier, the shield plus, G43x/G48, and P365/365XL are a different beast entirely.

Unless there's a technical issue I'm not seeing I'm sure somebody will make something like that, but I doubt it'll be S&W. I like DA/SA just fine but it's been surpassed by striker guns, and I don't see S&W bringing one out anytime soon.

I gotta think there’s a lot more interest in a DA/SA over a SAO. Lots of comments on the CSX videos on YouTube are wishing for a DA/SA, or even a DAO version. I own a 1911 but it’s a range toy. No desire to slip a pistol with a hammer back into my waistband, safety or no safety.

 

[quikdraw67]

The CSX would already be in my safe if it was DA/SA. Personally, I think it’s going to be a flop. After the 1911 guys scratch the itch, it’s gonna languish in sales. Not a lot of market for a subcompact SA pistol. I don’t know anyone who carries a Sig 938. It’s gonna be like the Springfield XDE. Lots of interest at first and then it’s gonna fade.

I agree. The CSX will be on sale at CDNN soon enough.

 

[quikdraw67]

3913, anyone?

3914NL and 3914DAO

I'm good

 

[hyena]

How about the SCCY CPX? Hammer fired, DAO, 10+1 in a very small package.

SCCY pistols rarely get mentioned on this forum. Not sure why that is. I have no experiencd with them. Never even seen one.

 

[Wdbutcher97]

One of the more impressive and practical handgun innovations in recent years is this new magazine engineering to cram 12+ rounds of 9mm into a such a small magazine. S&W and Sig both did the smart thing and build a simple striker gun around the new magazine, putting excellent CCW products on the market.

I've been training with a full size Beretta 92 more recently and am really interested in a DA/SA for CCW, but the 92 is a big gun. I would love a DA/SA gun with the footprint and magazine capacity of a Shield Plus or CSX

There's a couple good options in the 'compact' range on the market now, but not many. The CZ P07, Beretta PX4 compact are the two I can think of. Walther may have an option. But once you get to the subcompact size, the few options available are single stack with 7-8 round capacity. Essentially I’m looking for a CSX in DA/SA.

Do you think there is a market for this? DA/SA guns are falling out of fashion but for my own reasons I'm really beginning to prefer it the more I train with one.

Have you given any thought about the CZ 2075 Rami B? They're DA/SA and I believe they come with a 10 round and extended 14 round magazines. The people that own them seem to like them. I didn't see them in the the newest CZ catalog, but I would guess they're still available.

 

[waffles]

Have you given any thought about the CZ 2075 Rami B? They're DA/SA and I believe they come with a 10 round and extended 14 round magazines. The people that own them seem to like them. I didn't see them in the the newest CZ catalog, but I would guess they're still available.

The Rami is still pretty thick and heavy, though an excellent pistol, is basically to the CZ 75 what the Glock 26 is to the Glock 17. The post is more asking for a CSX (Shield Plus, G43x, P365XL) sized pistol, which is a considerable difference.

 

[waffles]

I gotta think there’s a lot more interest in a DA/SA over a SAO. Lots of comments on the CSX videos on YouTube are wishing for a DA/SA, or even a DAO version. I own a 1911 but it’s a range toy. No desire to slip a pistol with a hammer back into my waistband, safety or no safety.

I'd certainly rather have a DA/SA CSX than a SAO CSX, but I'm not really dying for either, nor any additional steps or controls on a small utilitarian carry gun. S&W discontinued their DA/SA autos awhile ago, and the market hasn't swung back towards DA/SA since then.

S&W taking a stab at a strange SAO micro 9 doesn't mean it's going to be a popular idea, nor that a slightly more practical DA/SA version would be either.

All that said, I'd like to be wrong and see more weird stuff like the CSX take off even if it's not my cup of tea. I've talked before about wanting a company to basically do keltec level weird designs, but yaknow, well, and this is kind of the vibe I get off the CSX.

 

[LVSteve]

I think it comes down to the complexity of DA/SA and fitting it inside a very thin gun. DAO (partial pre-cock), true DAO, SAO, and striker fired just fit better. The other thing is in today's litigious society, few are will to risk marketing a DA/SA without a decocker, pushing the complexity again.

 

[LVSteve]

How about the SCCY CPX? Hammer fired, DAO, 10+1 in a very small package.

SCCY pistols rarely get mentioned on this forum. Not sure why that is. I have no experiencd with them. Never even seen one.

I've shot one, a CPX-2. It is a square, DAO revolver in 9mm. There is no reset in the sense that most semi-auto users understand/want and it drives them nuts. Release the trigger all the way as designed and it works fine. The SIG P250 series operates in the same way, but has the typically chunky SIG slide. It doesn't feel slim, that's for sure.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

After the word wars on 9mm versus .45 ACP the next most debated handgun issue has to be DAO versus TDA versus striker versus SA.

My personal preference is TDA, aka traditional double action. (Metal is my preference, too, but let's not go overboard here. ) I believe that is the correct term for what the OP is wishing for. TDA = DA first shot/SA thereafter. The classic concealed carry guns for my money are the S&W "Chiefs Special" series of CS-9, CS-45, and CS-40. None of those, however, are high capacity.

To get to "hi cap" we must turn to the 3rd Gen semi-autos like the 5906. If we look at the 3913 we go back to 8 rounds as I recollect. For my purposes that suffices but if you want higher capacity then you get to the 6906. 12 rounds increases the firepower but it's bulky and heavy but not too bad. But not too bad compared to what?

And it's the "compared to what" that makes the difference. Polymer/striker fired guns have now been around long enough to satisfy anyone's issues with respect to reliability, firepower/capacity, and ease of concealment. Ipso facto, ain't nobody gonna make an all metal, hammer fired, traditional double action, lightweight (arguable), hi-cap, concealable handgun when the market currently demands compact Glocks, Walthers, M&Ps, etc. Thus, it's a pipe dream to expect S&W to return to the TDA, hi-cap, 3rd Gen style of pistols.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

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I don’t know anyone who carries a Sig 938.

The decision to expand the SIG P-238 into the P-938 baffled me. There was barely a market for the Colt Mustang, or even the Colt Pony, never mind the ".380 Government Model", or the 238, and SIG decided it would reintroduce a single action 9mm pocket gun? Maybe it's me but I thought it was mind bogglingly stupid. A dear friend of mine had one, maybe she still does, claimed to love it, and couldn't handle it but wouldn't admit it. EEK! Terrible gun!

 

[trailmix]

Beretta does make a subcompact PX4 but it is not as slim as a Shield Plus. On the positive side, it does accept full size mags which have 15, 17 and 20 round magazines.

 

[trailmix]

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The decision to expand the SIG P-238 into the P-938 baffled me. There was barely a market for the Colt Mustang, or even the Colt Pony, never mind the ".380 Government Model", or the 238, and SIG decided it would reintroduce a single action 9mm pocket gun? Maybe it's me but I thought it was mind bogglingly stupid. A dear friend of mine had one, maybe she still does, claimed to love it, and couldn't handle it but wouldn't admit it. EEK! Terrible gun!

I have no interest in carrying a SAO pistol.
My father in law keeps asking my opinion on the P-938 and I keep steering him away from one. Honestly, he seems to struggle with the operation of his striker fired Shield and I wouldn’t be completely comfortable around him with a more complex firearm.