If you have to ask whether something is dead/gone, then it probably isn't...

*shrug*

You can have ‘em.


If I had unlimited funds, I’d have a couple of everything. Since my bank account belongs to a mere mortal, I have to make choices. As for handguns, I’m currently good with examples in: 9mm, .38 special, .357 Mag, .44 Mag, .45 LC, .45 ACP, and .22lr/.22 Mag


I’m glad others enjoy what they enjoy.
 
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Considering that .38 Long Colt was even weaker than .380 ACP which many folks consider to be the bare minimum for civilian self-defense, I'm going to be bold here and side with the U.S. Army on their decision to upgrade to a more powerful cartridge.
Furthermore, I'm going to be even bolder by making the statement that I think that the U.S. Army was a little more informed regarding the threat and what it took to deal with them than anyone here.

I've seen the argument made many times before that .45LC and later .45 ACP didn't solve the problem and was no more effective than .38LC, but seeing as the U.S. Army stuck with .45 up until a century later, I presume that it must have been, otherwise they probably would have gone back to .38LC or otherwise opted for something even more potent than .45LC in order to address its inability to deal with the threat of the Moro warriors.

I honestly think that too many folks rally behind their cartridge/caliber of choice too much, often to the point of trying to push it as the end all, be all, and denigrating everything else.
Obviously, I'm a fan of .40 S&W, but I'm well aware that it has it's own distinct disadvantages and is evidently not the optimal choice for everyone, so you won't see me trying to push it as such, much less will you ever see me making ridiculous statements like that anything more powerful doesn't need to exist because to heck with the laws of physics, they don't fit my agenda.

In fact, I've often chuckled when I see various firearms/ammo manufacturers who market it as; "The Powerful .40 S&W!" because in my opinion, compared to magnum cartridges, (much less rifles/shotguns) it's not. Heck, it only has like 50ft-lbs of energy over 9mm, so it's not even substantially more powerful than other duty cartridges.
Yes, I still love it. Yes, I still carry it. Yes, I still trust it. Not because it's the illusive one-size-fits-all cartridge, but because it works for me. That's all.

I don't understand why more folks can't be like that. Why is it so important that one's cartridge of choice be the best? Why can't others be better, even if only in particular roles? Why can't it potentially be better in the hands of another? Not that I expect a tangible answer or anything, I'm merely attempting to point out the flaws of such unilateral thinking, perhaps even provoke some actual thought on the subject, reflection on such sentiments and what deeper meaning they may possess on an individual level.

Regardless, this thread was never intended as a platform for folks to push their cartridge of choice, and certainly not a platform to denigrate the choices of others, so I would appreciate it if folks would refrain from doing so, or at least refrain from replying to others who cannot resist the urge to do so.
 
Nevertheless, I'm skeptical that the cartridge is "dying" it's definitely in a slump, perhaps even one it may never come out of, but I'm unconvinced that it will fade away completely. I think that at the very least, firearms chambered in .40 S&W will continue to be produced by Smith & Wesson, with the cartridge finding a niche audience as the alternative to the ever-popular 9mm Luger and .45 ACP. I also think there's a possibility that it might make something of a comeback in the event that certain gun control legislation passes in the years to come which places restrictions on magazine capacity, but that'll all merely assumption on my part.

Regardless, I find the persistency of the question "Is .40 S&W dead?" to be ridiculous at this point. It has been what, five years since the cartridge fell out of favor and was largely replaced within the field of Law Enforcement?

Me too, but I personally don't mind continuing the conversation as the fate of .40 S&W is a little less certain than examples offered earlier. Unlike antiquated revolver cartridges, we can easily repurpose .40 S&W pistols by converting them to 9mm or .357 SIG (which can be an even better option for some people in my opinion). .45 ACP is also different because it is still in service (and because the 1911 remains massively popular today). Lastly, both new shooters on the forum and those just new to Smith & Wesson will also remain interested in fresh opinions because I know I do (and I'm not new to the forum, S&W, or Forty cal).
 
it is the Indian not the arrow..
shoot what you shoot best
I was a diehard "the 40s&w is an answer to a question nobody asked" for a long time.. I have 9mm & 45ACP... what would I need a 40s&w for... then got one cheap... now have several... it won't disappear as a caliber.. too many exist and they still make them... just another color on the palette of ammo to play with...

Defently it’s the Indian . Never shot anyone and pray I never do . But treated numerous ones on ems calls found out that .22 .25 .380 .38 9mm .40 .45 can all be one efefective one stop shots or a person can survive the shooting . The reality is must handgun rounds are poor man stoppers . Unless shot in central nerveos system (brain) or mane pump (heart). People in urban ares survive being shot because of emergency medical care . Now I’m knot saying a .22 is equal to a .45 but it is better to care what you shoot well and something you will carry than some supper magnum monster gun that sits at home
 
I used to have a Glock in 40.
But it’s long gone to a Better Place.
I gifted it to my Son.
The other day while prowling the meager ammo inventory at Sportsman Warehouse, I noticed they had some 22 Jet.
And some 32-20.
 
I have a Remington 7mm Short Action Ultra Magnum. Now THAT'S a dead cartridge! It's almost as dead as the deer I killed with it last hunting season.
 
I bought two 40's, one for my son and one for myself way back. At the time somehow or other there was a story going around about FBI testing. Supposedly it was proven that a 9 mm would ricochet off the windshield of a car racing directly at you and the 40 would penetrate. To date, no one has raced a car directly at me. I haven't had the opportunity to have a 40 in one hand and a 9 mm in the other shooting at the windshield.

I no longer have my 40, it went right after I bought my first S&W revolver.
 
If you have to ask whether something is dead/gone, then it probably isn't...


When I saw a grafitto on a vacant building downtown, mid 1990s, that said "Punk's Not Dead," that's when I knew punk rock was dead.

But know this:

Since my last post in this thread, I converted to Glock. I got G19 for EDC. I got G21 because .45ACP.

And now I got me a G22. Just to fool around with.
 
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I never got on the forty bandwagon....not the caliber nor the Malt liquor.

I think you should give the Malt Liquor another chance. It's not all that bad.

I hope that for years into the future ammo will be available for all guns still around. .40S&W .45GAP .32-20 and the numerous .38 40 .41 .44 and .45 BP calibers and the various 7.62 and 9mms. Maybe less runs than the more popular but an ample supply nonetheless.
 
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Interesting thread. Posts show excellent opinions and one of pure stupidity. Easy to see who has Real Experience and who has No Clue. History is the best Teacher.
 
My first handgun was a full size M&P 40, sold it right away and bought a M&P 40c. I have a shield and a cz 75b in 9mm and a Springfield mod 2 in 45. love shooting all of them and I believe I can shoot the M&P 40c better than any of my other guns, the CZ might catch up as its new and goes to the range more than any others.
I carry all, even bought a twin to my M&P 40c one for the range and one to carry, the range gun has many thousand rounds through the tube and wanted something with a lower round count to bet my life on.
I love to 40 and have enough brass and bullets that I am sure I will die before MY 40 does.
While we are at it is the ford dead I hear the FBI is going to chev's.
Carry on...
 
It's sort of funny that this old thread should be revived now going on 8 months after it was posted, because wouldn't you know it, the cartridge still isn't dead, yet folks keep right on asking if it is or otherwise asserting that it will be soon.

My favorite bit of "proof" that it's dying -- courtesy of its die-hard detractors -- is that that it's currently less available than 9mm Luger. Generally speaking, lesser availability suggest higher demand, and although that may not be the case in this particular situation, at best it just goes to show you how popular 9mm Luger is that ammo manufacturers are prioritizing it over .40 S&W, nothing more. However, that's hardly surprising considering that, in all fairness, 9mm Luger has always been more popular than .40 S&W. Sure, .40 S&W had a good decade and a half of popularity here in America, but in the rest of the world, 9mm Luger was always more popular and therefore produced in greater numbers.
How that indicates that production of the .40 S&W cartridge is soon to be discontinued is a leap of logic which is only comprehensible to those who so greatly wish to see it go that they see signs of it everywhere.

Furthermore, I think that shortages of particular cartridges are somewhat regional, effected greatly by demand for the cartridge in question within that particular region. And once more, the availability of a cartridge (regionally or otherwise) and how said available relates to demand is generally up to individual interpretation, because one could easily interpret lack of availability as proof of its popularity, considering that in most cases, it's inventory that doesn't move at all that's unpopular. What's more, vacant shelf space dedicated to a particular item does not in any way indicate that said product is no longer being stocked, as shelf space is rarely left vacant, much less with price tags for an item which is no longer being stocked, not in any well managed store anyway, or at least such is my experience having worked in sales.

In conclusion, the ambiguous death of the .40 S&W cartridge remains, but there is no further conclusive evidence to suggest that it's actually happening, and the burden of proof remains at the feet of those who continue to assert that its decline in popularity will ultimately result in discontinued mainstream production of firearms/ammunition.
 
Tens of millions of pistols made by every major US and foreign manufacturer over a 25-plus year period, many of which continue showing up on the surplus network at bargain prices. Millions remaining in private hands.

Die? Never. Ammo supply and selection decreasing over time? Probable.

A very good choice for personal defense uses.

I was late jumping on the .40 band wagon, bargain deal on a Kahr P40 about 2008 or so. In late 2018 I caught another super bargain on a Sig P229 DA-SA-Decocker .40S&W, LE trade-in fully refurbished to new condition by Sig-USA with a full warranty, less than $400 (MSRP on a new P229 was $1087 at the time). Exceptionally fine pistol, very accurate and reliable. Still debating the possibilities of adding a .357 Sig barrel (about $140), drop-in installation with no other modifications and using the same magazines.

Perfection is a fine goal, but seldom achieved by humans. The .40 S&W has never been perfect, but it is a very good choice IMO.
 
About a month before I won my Sig P320 X-compact in 2019, I had decided that I wanted a Sig Classic, and a P229 CPO in 40 S&W fell in view, so I purchased it via an extended layaway.

The Sig P229 is my first 40, but won't be my last. I have set my sights on a Glock Gen 5 in 40 (not yet certain which exact model), because the GSSF Blue Label program is making it super affordable, but I also have the possibility of winning one in GSSF matches, either as a random or performance prize. Even if I purchase it, current damage for a Gen 5 40 is $425, a price that is easily handled on a fixed income! I'd love to get my hands on a S&W 610, but the prices currently are a bit too steep for my situation.

My rationale is probably convoluted to some, but as long as I have the resources to cast bullets and reload my ammo, I will always be in the game, be it competition or life. We are now facing a dark time when it comes to finding factory loaded ammo, but when I find affordable ammo, I can always buy some in order to build a reserve. In my pursuit of handguns, I'm not looking to replace a given firearm because of the cartridge, I'm looking for the ability to supplement my shooting by adding a firearm/cartridge combination. I'm purchasing a firearm that fits me, not some 110 pound recruit that can't handle the recoil. I know what I can handle, so I really don't need to work within FBI studies and recommendations.
 
‘ I don’t have no problem living, it’s dying that bothers me.’
Mose Allison
I have noticed when I don’t see 9mm, 380, 38 Special, 357 Mag and lots of other handgun calibers I see 40 on the shelf??
 
I’ve read the same thing about the .38/.357. I think that the .40 S&W still has a place. For me personally, with newer bullet designs, I don’t think that it offers enough of a performance advantage over the 9mm to justify the cost differential.

Two things about it: first, there are lots of guns out there chambered for it.
Secondly, there will always be new shooters coming to the fold that may choose the.40.
 

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