Just received a call from my son. He lives near Sacramento,Ca. My grandson borrowed my son's F-150 & drove it to school. It didn't have a sticker on the windshield so the Campus Kop checked it out. Saw a box of 12 ga. shells on the back seat. No gun but a tree pruning saw which was confiscated.So my grandson was suspended 3 days for having a destructive devise on school grounds. He will graduate this June. He has a 3.43 GPA. & never has been in trouble.I'm so mad I could chew nails & spit carpet tacks. Another reason I left California 7 years ago. It's not the same state I was raised in.
I'm very unhappy.
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In a world where those police officers may very well be the one's keeping your grandson safe from an active shooter or act of terrorism I would kindly ask for a little more respect. If their actions were justified or not under that specific college's regulations the point is/was surely to ensure the safest possible environment for everyone. But I will agree that it seems a little overboard.
LouisianaJoe
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He is lucky. A young man here did not know that his father left a handgun under the seat of his truck. He was a couple of weeks short of graduation but was suspended for a year.
The problem with zero tolerance is that there is no room for taking into consideration the fact that the student may not intend to violate a rule but will still pay for it. There is no due process and you are guilty. Period. No trial. no second chance. This would be unconstitutional if it was an adult.
If does let administrators not have to think or use reason.
The problem with zero tolerance is that there is no room for taking into consideration the fact that the student may not intend to violate a rule but will still pay for it. There is no due process and you are guilty. Period. No trial. no second chance. This would be unconstitutional if it was an adult.
If does let administrators not have to think or use reason.
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Security guards should take such matters seriously. But some of them are given too much authority and lack the brains and common sense to be reasonable.
There was a similar incident locally, wherein a young lady who was up and coming in some sort of shotgun sport inadvertently left a box or two of low-base, small shot shells in her truck in the HS campus lot, which were diligently discovered by a "security officer", resulting in her academically calamitous suspension, another example of brain-dead policy-makers enforcing "zero-tolerance" pogroms against innocent and defenseless students, who, evidently, have surrendered their constitutional rights by complying with compulsory education laws while exercising civil rights afforded to most of the population. What's wrong with this picture?
charlie sherrill
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I was called to a school a while back where a nine year old had found a 9 mm mag on the way to school. He showed it to another kid and was busted by one of the teachers. They charged him in Juvy with possessing an explosive device. They called me to transport. I called the judge and told them this was BS. He said to bring him down anyway. I never heard the outcome because I wasn't called to testify. The school administrators didn't like my take on what constituted an explosive device. The clip looked like a Lorcin and had six rounds in it...loaded backwards. Zero tolerance is zero brain and goes against everything our constitution stands for. Each case should be decided on it's own merits with room for discretion. They're doing this with kids now. Are we next?
Seems like the grandson could have easily avoided this situation...either by getting the sticker requirement taken care of and/or checking the vehicle for prohibited stuff.
The pruning saw wasn't a violation of any kind, was it? Why on earth did they take it? Is the school gonna give it back?
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It would be nice if they showed the same zero tolerance for drugs and drug users.
LouisianaJoe
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And illegal aliens.
Evil Dog
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Don't wear clothing having an American flag image on Cinco de Mayo Day in Kalifornia.... you might offend those celebrating. You can wear a flag any other day though.... go figure.
Texas Star
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Yeah, and we don't hear much about Alamo Day or Texas Independence Day in Texas now, either. Might offend those from whom our forefathers wrested that independence.
I'm totally disgusted.
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JcMack
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Unfortunately this is another sign of the times we live in. When he drove on to University property he was subject to their rules. There have been so many violent school incidents that zero tolerance is now ramped up to ZERO ++ tolerance. To a grandfather it's difficult to accept how far we've let the libs degrade this country.
afriqueart
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Ignorance of the law is no excuse. There seems to be way too much of it, though.
NFrameFred
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While not diminishing the reasons such policies were developed ( don't you wish someone had done this to the Columbine assailants?) the total abandonment of common sense in this country is pathetic.
This PC **** is never going to moderate until the very mental midgets who insist on enforcing it are put under a perpetual microscope and forced to adhere to every stupid rule and regulation to the letter in their everyday life that they've forced on those around them.
This PC **** is never going to moderate until the very mental midgets who insist on enforcing it are put under a perpetual microscope and forced to adhere to every stupid rule and regulation to the letter in their everyday life that they've forced on those around them.
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Ignorance of the Constitution is no excuse. There seems to be way too much of it, too.
novalty
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I tend to doubt that a university parking sticker requirement...or an ordinance prohibiting guns, weapons, ammunition, explosives, etc. are unconstitutional regulation...
gunlovingirl
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Although I can understand both sides, I don't agree 100% with either side. Charlie Sherrill is right. Some discretion needs to be given and each case looked at individually. A pruning saw in a truck? That's not exactly out of place. And neither is the shells. However, that might raise a red flag. But the student should have been given the opportunity to explain, his school record looked at, and the issue decided from the whole picture. I don't agree with zero tolerance. Then again, back in my school days, you never heard of the type of craziness that goes on now. But in this particular case, the saw should have been left alone, the shells confiscated, but I don't believe a suspension was warranted.
Whatever happened to the days when you could take a knife, or an old WWII rifle for show and tell? When you could leave your doors unlocked, and when the only street gang was Spanky and Alfalfa's? Sure wish I could transport my grandkids back in time.
Whatever happened to the days when you could take a knife, or an old WWII rifle for show and tell? When you could leave your doors unlocked, and when the only street gang was Spanky and Alfalfa's? Sure wish I could transport my grandkids back in time.
CAJUNLAWYER
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Common sense and good judgement have been dead for several years now-Their passing is still mourned.
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IMO, the litigiousness of society has helped drive policies such as "zero tolerance".
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