Input on S&W CSX wanted…

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I’d like some input from others about the Smith CSX. I’m considering one for concealed carry purposes but don’t know much about them. I’m a 1911 guy and am very comfortable with the system.

Any likes or dislikes about the pistol? Pluses or minuses?
 
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I'd advise you'd enjoy reading Mas Ayoob's article on the model in American Handgunner (google "Ayoob" "Handgunner" "CSX" for a link) and then benefit from a search around this forum, as the gun has been pretty extensively discussed already.
 
The only way to truly know is to handle and shoot one. I have one and it is my EDC so my opinion will be totally biased. Find a range the has one for rent and shoot it, then buy it if you like it like I did. Opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one so making a purchase on others likes and dislikes seems foolish to me. There are a number of threads on here on the CSX, let Search be your friend.
 
As was stated above. This horse is dead but, I will again take my turn beating it. Love it and carry it all the time. People here will talk it down but, it all depends on what you are expecting. IF you are looking for a Wilson Combat or a Les Baer then you will be sorely disappointed. If you are looking for a very capable easy to carry and shoot Smith and Wesson then you will be very happy.
 
The common dislikes of the CSX are the trigger pull and the single action. As long as your expectations are realistic, it is a nice compact pistol, but not the answer to everyone's shooting prayers. As mentioned, lots of discussion of the CSX to search on this forum.
 
I have nearly 2000 rounds through mine. It is better now than it was new, thats for sure. It is the most concealable 13 shot pistol I have ever had.
A lot of folks dont like that it is single action. Well, than this is not for them, but that isnt a ding on the pistol, but rather the category of pistol.
 
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The only way to truly know is to handle and shoot one. I have one and it is my EDC so my opinion will be totally biased. Find a range the has one for rent and shoot it, then buy it if you like it like I did. Opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one so making a purchase on others likes and dislikes seems foolish to me. There are a number of threads on here on the CSX, let Search be your friend.

BmcRet and IAM Rand provide the best advice you will receive on this. I have a CSX and like it very much, so I am admittedly biased, as I do like the 1911 manual of arms, I prefer the CSX over my CS9 which was my favorite for 20 years or so, but again, just my preference. The CSX has what, at least to me, are some great qualities, not the least of which is the totally ambi controls, manual safety, slide stop, reversible mag release, also the bump out on the rear of the slide makes it much easier to grab and cycle the slide than any other small frame 9mm I have used. One other feature that I personally believe to be a good safety feature is that, unlike any other 1911 I have had, the CSX has the ability to operate the slide while keeping the safety on.
 
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I am a lefty so the ambi safety is a plus for me but, what really caught me by surprise is how it is such a small pistol but, when you hold it, it feels deceptively large. Control is not that much of an issue. I have carried everything from a full size 1911 to a Block (oopps I mean Glock) to M&P 40 and full size 9 and of course a model 19 and 627. The CSX is now my main carry off duty because of its size, weight, and capacity. In an Urban carry holster, it is much more comfortable to wear every day.
 
Unless the CSX threads are very old. I see extremely few threads or any discussion on the CSX. My wife is considering going from j frame 5 shot 642 to a semi auto. The equalizer and CSX are top contenders from S&W. Among other brand offerings.

I saw the issue with false reset of the trigger. And recently learned that problem was solved by S&W many months ago. So any of the old threads may not address this gripe that has been already resolved! So one has to be careful with reading old threads bashing something that has already been fixed.

I would love to see a thread line dedicated to the CSX.

I held the CSX at a LGS. And while only a few !minutes. I liked it. Except for ME I do not want a manual safety on a carry gun. So while this or any 1911 style gun won't be a carry gun for ME. It is my wife who is looking for a gun. And she may even prefer to have a manual safety. which is why the CSX is one of the top pistols for her consideration.

The way I see it. The CSX is an improved higher capacity shield that is easier to rack and SAO trigger. It requires the manual safety that is optional on the shield or even the shield plus.

In my situation, my wife has difficult time raking my 1.0 shield. So the EZ, the new equalizer and the CSX seem to be what will be great options for her. And probably many other people with issues racking and concealing that the earlier EZ such a success.

What Would get my interest is if it had a DAO/SO option. But that is just me!
 
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I just picked up a CSX yesterday. I like single-action pistols like the 1911 platform…which the CSX is. I also like the size…good for concealed carry…plus the price was right…$499 from Brownell’s.

Once I got it home I put the smaller grip panels on…they felt better. It does have a gritty trigger…don’t know whether that’s common to the design or just this one. I’m hoping putting some rounds down range may help with that.

I also have a Kimber Micro9…the two pistols are all but identical in size other than the CSX holds a few more rounds…they even fit in the same holsters.

I plan on shooting them side-by-side to see which I like better.
 
I suspect a number folks bailed early on the CSX based upon YouTube guru reviews. That’s unfortunate because S&W made some changes to address stated concerns and the result is an incredibly small but capable platform. If you carry AIWB, the safety on the CSX adds another measure of security that can be flicked off in a nano second on your draw. What’s not to like?
 
I really like the CSX. The platform isn't perfect but it's the most accurate and easy to shoot of any micro 9mm I've ever encountered.

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The loose rubber gasket on the 12 round magazines leads me to think that S&W didn't put enough thought into the design before releasing the product to the public. I have fixed that situation by applying super glue to weld the gaskets to the magazines. The only other concern is the lack of real estate for speed reloads. If you think you may ever have to reload one of these guns under pressure, I suggest you practice so you don't end up pinching the heck out of your hand and dropping the fresh magazine. :eek:

Best of luck!
 
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Okay, it was chilly but sunny and still at the Albuquerque City range (5950' above sea level) this morning - 28°F when I began, 34°F when I left. Five other guys shooting - mellow. Took the CSX and a couple .22 revolvers; I didn't mess with chronographing - I had an old school friend come into town unexpectedly, made lunch plans with her for today and didn't want to waste time.

Shot at 10 yards, mostly offhand (modified Weaver), some one-hand (strong and weak), a few off bags to get used to the trigger but I found that I shot as well standing as seated and just went with that for the most part. I used gloves at first and then took them off when it started warming up. I put gloves on between relays to warm my hands (the shade over the firing line had the Southern European part of my blood asserting itself in a way that I remembered from childhood - brr).

I ran 115-gr FMJs (100 rnds WWB), 147-gr FMJs (50, well 49 rounds AE), 147-gr JHPs (Gold Dots and WWB) and 124-gr +P Winchester Hex Vents. Based on a decent amount of experience shooting and chronographing 9x19 in 3" guns, I told myself I'd only go for the 124s if they were notably more accurate than the 147s. (They weren't. ;))

Getting to my lead-in quote: Wow, this is a nice design! I like the straight-faced-but-with-safety-paddle trigger on the ambi-saftied pistol. I love that the slide runs while the safety is on - this is like the P938, and it truly makes me feel better loading and unloading these guns. The gun suits me a lot better than the P938 (which I liked), though: in the first place, I can (and did) switch around the magazine release so that it's not facing outward while I carry (remember I'm a lefty) - on a concealed carry gun having the magazine safe from inadvertent drops is essential for me. Now, I'm not sure I've heard any reviewer say this, but you know how some guns just feel really right? (I think a lot of the success of the J-frame snub and the PPK can be attributed to this phenomenon.) Well, the CSX feels right to me. The same way a PPK feels good (but with more rounds and power, utter reliability and more fun to shoot) in the hand. Uncle Mas was 100% correct when he extrapolated the CSX would fit my hands well - it does. In fact, not to be weird, but it feels like it was made for my hands - at least while gripping/shooting (I add this disclaimer because it's still a little weird for me to activate the Southpaw-friendly starboard-side low-profile slide stop with my left thumb while shooting with my strong-side left hand - I know what I need to do to practice, but you want it to go not stop, right? ;)).

It's difficult to catalog all the things that just work for me in gripping this bar-of-used-soap-rounded pistol because they're everywhere: a giant help is the stippling on the front strap, but the delightfully undercut (and smoothed) trigger guard and the ambi-sided-funneled approach to the trigger stand out, too. (Oh, I'm using the as-installed-at-the-factory palmswell stippled backstrap - fits my weird hollow palms just so.) The safety is right where it should be (for me) and I found it unthinkingly intuitive to disengage and simple to engage with either hand. The finish of the gun is just right: satiny but not slick, and seriously hard to mark or dirty. The balance is great - as our friend Mas has said, there's just not a lot of difference between the 12-round and the 10-round mag in this regard, but I do prefer the 12. And as many have said, the gun shoots like it's a full-sized gun - by that I mean the ergonomics of the thing throw all the recoil into the slide action and the curvy little frame just sits right where it's at without leaping around.

As you've read, magazines are difficult to load. I used a Maglula to load both magazines to capacity and they are still extremely stiff on the last round.

As with several small guns I've shot lately, I found this one shot as well for me offhand (two-handed, of course) as off the bags. The single-action trigger was just fine - I knew when it was going to break after the first ten or so shots. It's not a target trigger, but (again, as other have said) it's clear that there's a metal frame - there's no bendy/flexy kinda mush in it - just kind of a really short roll (which, honestly, feels a bit like a very-light, very short DA revolver). I did not find this gun to have overtravel of note. On the subject of the false reset perception that can be imparted by the (first generation - which my gun has - but now modified in later guns) firing pin safety, it tricked me twice in course of the rounds I shot - and I was making some effort to not fall victim to it. As other have noted, this is a training issue - believe it or not, I think I like the CSX enough to make an effort to unlearn the habits I've gotten into with other guns. :o

Reliability was flawless . . . except for one round, which hung up on feeding. I tap-racked-reset-shot and then picked up the ejected round to see what was up - and what was up was that Federal had fouled up on loading the round. The lip of the case was bent inward during the loading of the bullet and the whole thing was crimped just like that - there's no way this should have made it out of quality control.

Not the gun's fault that this wouldn't feed.


Anyhow, I've droned on enough. I finished, had lunch with my friend, went home and cleaned the gun. It cleaned up pretty easily. Put it back together, used the Maglula to load 147-gr Gold Dots into both mags, stuck in a chamber round and put it into an IWB holster (fits Kahr PM leather if you have any around - I have lots). Turns out it carries like a Chiefs Special - but, whoa, there are a lot more rounds on board and reloads are a lot faster!). I really, really like the CSX. And I've got another 12-rounder on the way. :cool:
 
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I really like the CSX. The platform isn't perfect but it's the most accurate and easy to shoot of any micro 9mm I've ever encountered.

... The only other concern is the lack of real estate for speed reloads. If you think you may ever have to reload one of these guns under pressure, I suggest you practice so you don't end up pinching the heck out of your hand and dropping the fresh magazine...

"Speed reloads". If you fired the 12-13 loaded rounds in the pistol and the problem is not solved, pinching your hand while reloading will probably be a minor concern.... just sayin'
 
I now have a second CSX, a spare that I got used from a friend and I ran it out to a lovely comfortable and uncrowded city range today because wanted to see how it did.

Well, this one is more modern than my first one - it has the upgraded firing pin block that truly does take care of the weird false re-set issue.(But, I've trained myself out of it being an issue - I completely let off the CSX trigger between shots, no longer treating it like a 1911, so this is only mentioned as academically noteworthy.) However, wow, does this second CSX have a heavy trigger pull. Remarkably so. I've described the pull on my first CSX as feeling like a very short DA pull, but that's not at all the case with this one - it's a SA pull for sure, but it almost feels as if the safety is on. Nope, that's just One Astonishing Wall.

Shockingly, this didn't contribute to the gun shooting like a target gun.
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However, the sucker was wonderfully reliable: 100% with 115-, 124- and 147-grain standard pressure rounds as well as 124-gr +Ps.

I don't want to oversell it: it wasn't awful. It just wasn't very good (bad J-frame level accuracy - some rounds did better than others, though) . . . and I had felt like I'd figured out the grasp this model needed, so it was a little bit of a surprise.

I also shot my Ruger Mk II Government 5.5" - ho hum. Yup, every time I'd start to wonder, "What's wrong with me?," I'd put a mag through the Ruger and realize, "Nope, not me."

Also supporting that conclusion was the fact that I took my little Beretta Px4 Compact .40 - wow, did that seem accurate in comparison to the second CSX. (Man, I really like that little .40 - and I don't really care for .40s.)

I still like shooting the CSX model, but I'm surprised these two I own feel so different. Funky reset on the one (now trained away from being an issue) and mighty stiff trigger pull on the other. Hmmph. Perfectly reliable, though - and mighty nice in the hand or waistband.
 
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