Interesting 44 mag cylinder

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You might want to check your new 44 mag cylinder throats as they may well be to tight. Not hard to fix if so. I made an interesting discovery on a new style 44 cylinder today

I am a big 45 colt fan and the majority of my 45 colts sport cylinders made from 44 magnum cylinders. Couple of reasons for this. Main one is doing my own I get .452 throats, you can be the cool kid with a recessed 45 colt if you start with a recessed 44 mag cylinder. I found several 629-1 cheap and wanted 45c more than 44s etc etc

Anyway, I have converted quite a few cylinders to 45 colt. I have a spud that uses the same collet as my reamers. I use it for a quick and accurate alignment before reaming. After aligned I run in a reamer that had a .429 solid pilot and it reams to .452. Then I use a 45 colt reamer that has a .452 pilot. This gives me very nice chambers.

So, I decided to finish up my 45 colt revolving carbine and blue it. I originally made it using a shorter lengtth 357 cylinder reamer to 45 colt and cut for acp in moon clips. I decided I wanted a longer 45 colt cylinder when complete.

In my parts pile I had 2 44 mag cylinders. 1 of them recessed and I want to keep it for another project. That left a new style 44 mag cylinder, The kind with the odd arm tips for alignment instead of the old 2 pin arrangement. So, I trim back barrel shank for longer cylinder and get it fit and working in the frame still as a 44 mag. Then I go to ream it

Set it up in my mill vise using brass pads, align it with spud. Install the reamer to take throats out to .452. I have a variable feed drive on my mill motor and have it set real slow. The reamer goes in and stops before it cuts anything. HUH.

I take the cylinder out of vise and when I turn it over, the pilot on reamer will not even begin enter 4 of the throats. I know the reamer pilot actually mikes at .4295. I know most 44 mag cylinders actually have .430 throats and it has always worked for me before this new style cylinder. I take reamer to lathe and make a light pass with a carbide inset and polish it with 400 grit emery. It reads .4285. that is fine for my use. But, it still will not go in those 4 chambers. Out come my pin gauges. A .428 pin gauge will not go in them. A .427 will. I am not willing to make my reamer pilot that small. I set up a deal and turn some 120 emery cloth in the 4 tight throats and polish them out until my pilot enters them.

That cylinder is now a 45 colt cylinder with .452 throats.

But, it sure makes me suspect the throats of new 44 mag cylinders may be under sized. That is a bad or worse than over sized throats. You can use larger bullets in .430-.431 throat gun. But once a bullet passes through a .427-.428 throat it will never be .429 for the barrel. 2 fairly normal throats and 4 tight ones.
 
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Most of the small throat cylinders I've measured were from 629 DXs. 0.428" usually. IIRC, there was an old magazine article that claimed some DX throats were as small as 0.427" Or it could have been on the forum... At any rate it seems that it worked OK with jacketed projectiles. Definitely not the way to go with cast!
My 629-6s have been between 0.429"-0.430" As well as the new "loose" cylinders I've bought, both blue and stainless.
 
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There are a lot of us at the club shooting .44 Magnum Smiths. I started measuring cylinder throats years ago using pin gauges. Model 29-2s and early 629s would measure between .431 and .434. Later guns with the cylinder lug cast in the frame were .429 - .430 with Performance Center models measuring .4285. The PC guns were always the most accurate with any ammo. A bullet will obturate to fill the rifling after passing through the cylinder throat.
 
.0005 under is one thing. But 4 of the throats on this cylinder were more than .001 under. Ya, they would still grab the rifling as the land to land dia is about .417, and some the material displaced by the lands will move over to fill grooves but it is hardly a good thing to have tight throats that impend the initial movement of the bullet and swage it down prior to the forcing cone.


JayMoore. I think you need to replace a bunch of .6 numbers with .4s The rim of a 44 mag case is .514 would fall through a.600 hole. :)

Another fun thing I had to do to make this work is make an longer rod for the tool I have that trims the face of the barrel extension and the forcing cone cutter and lap. The standard rod is way too short for barrels over 16"s :rolleyes:
 
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JayMoore. I think you need to replace a bunch of .6 numbers with .4s The rim of a 44 mag case is .514 would fall through a.600 hole. :)

Another fun thing I had to do to make this work is make an longer rod for the tool I have that trims the face of the barrel extension and the forcing cone cutter and lap. The standard rod is way too short for barrels over 16"s :rolleyes:

Wishful thinking? Or "cross pollination"? Thanks!

Brownell's tool? Yah, extra challenge doing a rifle length barrel. But good opportunity to add nice bore riding guide sleeves.
 
I forgot about my 296 and 396. I better check those. Makes sense as S&W probably would have used the same reamers to make those as 44 mag cylinders or got them from the same source
 
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