Interesting open carry story.

[AlHunt]

I don't get the 'God given right' part - The right to self defense might be a 'God given right' - essentially the right to self defense is inalienable and I get this part but where is it written it is a God given right to carry a FIREARM? I read and hear this so much it's getting old.

Does it help if you call it a "Natural Right"? As in the natural right to defend yourself?

The 2nd Amendment acknowledges the pre-existing right to self defense, it doesn't grant it. " ... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms ... "

The entire Constitution was written in plain English (as opposed to a lot of scholarly gibberish legalese) because the average people of the day needed to understand it and vote on it (and how cool was that?).

It means exactly what it says and nothing more or less. And it says " ... the right to keep and bear Arms ... "

It's all the scholarly re-interpreters that have introduced confusion.

 

[Mainsail]

i open carry because it's comfy.
either people don't notice or feel it would be impolite to mention it.
i'm not a wanna be anything.
i'm just me.

That right there is such a simple and obvious point I never considered.

The majority of people open carry for that very reason. It's about the way we prioritize. Since concealed isn't tactically superior or legally required, I don't prioritize concealment above more important things like effective gun/caliber, ease of access, and comfort. I carry indifferently- if it shows it shows, why should I care?

It's telling when people project negative motives on open carry, as though their method of prioritizing is better than anyone else's. I suppose I could project negative motives on the 'concealed only' people, like they conceal so as to not be noticed when they're at the playground eyeing the children, but that would be every bit as nonsensical as to suppose people open carry for attention or other negative reasons.

 

[keith44spl]

I went in to a pizza joint the other day to get the grand son a bite of lunch.
Unbeknownst to me, my brush-popper Carhartt jacket had ridden up over my 44 spl.
and it seems no one else noticed or cared.


Not one scream or dirty look did I receive....Even if someone had gave me the evil eye,
I wouldn't have know what it was for....other than maybe
I had jailed em sometime in the past.




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[Rastoff]

...I noticed a guy wearing what looked like a MT HP patch on a blue hoody. Not a HP looking guy, beard and cowboy hat,...

OK, I didn't see it in this thread so, I gotta ask, what's an MT HP?

 

[AlHunt]

OK, I didn't see it in this thread so, I gotta ask, what's an MT HP?

Maybe Montana Highway Patrol?

 

[the ringo kid]

It is interesting that you mention this. I was talking to a man that grew up in ND. His dad was a ranch hand at a dairy farm and they lived in a house that the rancher owned. Game hunted locally was used to get by. He told me he would hunt his way to school each morning with his brothers. They would hang any rabbits or pheasants etc up in the coat room of the school along with their guns. When school was out they would hunt their way home. It was just a way of life. When I was a kid in the late 60's, my dad got me out of school for opening day of small game season and deer season. The school was fine with it. Can't imagine what would happen today if you sent your son to school with a note stating he would not be at school because of the season opener ! Not trying to hijack the post just trying to highlight how urbanized and brain washed the public is. On another note, people's situational awareness increases when they realize that safety is a perception not always a reality.

Very well said--and I wouldnt change a word. Also-the above is exactly like it was through the 80s in my home town. It was just natural to see guns stacked or on wall pegs-in most any eating establishment--sometimes in other type stores--drug storre lunch counters-etc. I remember walking downtown in Kingsville-on Saturdays and Sundays--farmers with shotgune-others with rifles-just ambling along on their way up and down the area-nobody minded at all. Kids-like me then--loved eyeballing-talking about and often getting to fondle long-arms. My dad sometimes carried a shotgun-or his Winchester 1894. Man I really do miss those days.

The only places I cant remember seeing guns in-were the Texas Theater--and maybe-the post office. Heck, even back in the early 90s--one could still walk into Kleberg First National bank (across the street from the post office) with their rifles and such. I did many times carying my Mauser 98--which folks oft asked if I werre selling? which was nope.

Anyway-back to high school days. I still remember a few who also hunted in the mornings-during whatever seasons-bringing in Quail, Duck, Javelina SP? deer-etc-which were always hung up in the Ag building.

 

[the ringo kid]

I don't get the 'God given right' part - The right to self defense might be a 'God given right' - essentially the right to self defense is inalienable and I get this part but where is it written it is a God given right to carry a FIREARM? I read and hear this so much it's getting old.

Im no expert but, I believe the God Given Right--was mentioned in the Constitution...

 

[Muss Muggins]

Im no expert but, I believe the God Given Right--was mentioned in the Constitution...

I think that was the Declaration of Independence . . . .

 

[mike from st pete]

It has been my observation that a great many open carry folks are wanna be somethings. Wanna be cops, wanna be military, wanna be super agent man, etc. No, not all of them . . . not most . . . but a great many. I just don't get the "I can carry my AR15 strapped over my shoulder into Walmart because it's my by God given right" attitude.

I'm a wannabe, I want to be comfortable. Slinging a rifle ain't comfortable.
In muggy Florida wearing light weight clothing is preferred. While I'd not strap on a drop holster not worrying over something showing if my shirt blows open would be nice.

 

[keith44spl]

It has been my observation that a great many open carry folks are wanna be somethings. Wanna be cops, wanna be military, wanna be super agent man, etc. No, not all of them . . . not most . . . but a great many.

^^^^^
LOL,


When I was a boy, I wanted to be like my father and his cronies.
They purty much all open carried a sidearm or two.


Yes, I was a wanna be......I wanted to be a Lawman too, and by the grace of God I made it!!!




I don't paint humanity in general with too awful broad a brush.


It just might be one of those 'wanna be good guys' that could save some officer of the law's bacon.


If two or three has me down and trying to stomp the life outta me...
A wanna be good guy would come in right handy, I do believe.


Jest sayin, and thar's coming a time before long Boys,
that a lot of folks will be carrying a sidearm and maybe a carbine to boot.


Open carry or concealed....The only 'tactical advantage' is situational awareness.


I try to look up and around once in a while.




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[the ringo kid]

I think that was the Declaration of Independence . . . .

Same era.

 

[llowry61]

You know, I open carried for a long,long time. Every darn fall out I'd go with absolutely no covering on my shotgun or rifle. I'd hike all over creation, toting the long gun up and uncovered. It didn't attract a single bit of interest from anyone who saw me. It was called hunting. Its what we did. And I'm not so sure hunting is covered by the 2A. Its widely assumed to be, but who really cares. Now some worse information. I'm going to bet the hunters are a lot better shots than the folks lugging the plastic guns.

And then there was the time I went to a funeral with a gunbelt and a fancy engraved Colt. With me being widely known as a S&W gun nut. It was at a friends fathers funeral. The old guy had gone camping and shooting with us for a lot of years. I made friends with him early on. We had been dirt bike riding down in the National Forest. We'd gotten back and some of our yokels had taken up some beer. Others where horsing around. I was sitting in front of my tent smearing polish on my riding boots. Only took 15 minutes. That really impressed the old guy. And we'd become friends for other reasons, one being he was diabetic and at work we were going to stop carrying non-sugar candy. One of my managers had a couple of big boxes and before she tossed it, she asked me if I knew anyone. Yep, Pop Reynolds. He was the happiest man alive, thinking his warden like wife would prevent him from ever eating candy again. Now he probably had 20# of the stuff.

So when Pop passed away, I carried to his services. Some rude young girl asked "why do you need a gun at a funeral". To which Pops son answered "Because daddy would have liked it." He was a good old guy. I don't know if anyone will carry to my upcoming funeral. I don't even want a funeral.

You are correct, hunting is not a right it is a privilege. The activity is allowed by state government and in some instances regulated in "duality", meaning both federal and state regulations apply (migratory bird hunting). It is like driving, you must be licensed and pass a certification course. Privileges can be revoked by the governing entity. Rights can't be revoked, although they can be waived.

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[Skeet 028]

^^^^^
LOL,


When I was a boy, I wanted to be like my father and his cronies.
They purty much all open carried a sidearm or two.
Yes, I was a wanna be......I wanted to be a Lawman too, and by the grace of God I made it!!!
I don't paint humanity in general with too awful broad a brush.
It just might be one of those 'wanna be good guys' that could save some officer of the law's bacon.
If two or three has me down and trying to stomp the life outta me...
A wanna be good guy would come in right handy, I do believe.
Jest sayin, and thar's coming a time before long Boys,
that a lot of folks will be carrying a sidearm and maybe a carbine to boot.
Open carry or concealed....The only 'tactical advantage' is situational awareness.
I try to look up and around once in a while. .

Well I never wanted to be a cop thank goodness. It is truly a thankless job(IMO)...that said I even worked for a while as a fire investigator for our dept. I was talking to one of the deputies here at home the other day.. Wants to rent our ground. We discussed issues such as pay for the local po leece. It is unbelievable that they can get people to work for them. That said luckily we have a low crime rate here. I hope that the kinda prediction you made about having to carry and possibly even a carbine does not come to pass. But there are some places in the US that are sinkholes of depravity and the local powers that be don't want or intend to fix the problems that cause it.

 

[keith44spl]

I hope that the kinda prediction you made about having to carry and possibly even a carbine does not come to pass. But there are some places in the US that are sinkholes of depravity and the local powers that be don't want or intend to fix the problems that cause it.

Skeet,


When ever I travel south-west out of Ft Worth,
I've got a carbine of some kind along for the ride.....


Ya know what they's say, Dallas is where the East peters out


and Ft. Worth is where the West begins,,, (Smiley Thang)


* On Topic, I've open carried in Montana & Wyoming both....

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[joebiker]

I must admit to the want-a-be tag. I wanted to be a cowboy like Roy or Hoppy or the Lone Ranger I started carrying a double gun set up after I discovered roll caps.

 

[Ogandydancer]

It pays to be vigilant, especially these days when it seems to be there is a nut job around every corner.

 

[tomf52]

It is interesting that you mention this. I was talking to a man that grew up in ND. His dad was a ranch hand at a dairy farm and they lived in a house that the rancher owned. Game hunted locally was used to get by. He told me he would hunt his way to school each morning with his brothers. They would hang any rabbits or pheasants etc up in the coat room of the school along with their guns. When school was out they would hunt their way home. It was just a way of life. When I was a kid in the late 60's, my dad got me out of school for opening day of small game season and deer season. The school was fine with it. Can't imagine what would happen today if you sent your son to school with a note stating he would not be at school because of the season opener ! Not trying to hijack the post just trying to highlight how urbanized and brain washed the public is. On another note, people's situational awareness increases when they realize that safety is a perception not always a reality.

Around this area, maybe statewide for all I know, schools are closed the first day of deer season.