More than one school district around here purposefully schedules a fall break around deer season opening week because of the attendance dropoff . . .
Interesting open carry story.
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More than one school district around here purposefully schedules a fall break around deer season opening week because of the attendance dropoff . . .
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I don't get the 'God given right' part - The right to self defense might be a 'God given right' - essentially the right to self defense is inalienable and I get this part but where is it written it is a God given right to carry a FIREARM? I read and hear this so much it's getting old.
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Missing school to go hunting is very common around here and wouldn't even raise an eyebrow from any of the teachers or Principal.
Besides that don't think a gun in the school parking lot would be a problem around here.
Montana state law, which effectively nullifies the federal gun free zone around schools for Montana citizens:
45-8-360. Establishment of individual licensure. In consideration that the right to keep and bear arms is protected and reserved to the people in Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution, a person who has not been convicted of a violent, felony crime and who is lawfully able to own or to possess a firearm under the Montana constitution is considered to be individually licensed and verified by the state of Montana within the meaning of the provisions regarding individual licensure and verification in the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act.
Besides that don't think a gun in the school parking lot would be a problem around here.
Montana state law, which effectively nullifies the federal gun free zone around schools for Montana citizens:
45-8-360. Establishment of individual licensure. In consideration that the right to keep and bear arms is protected and reserved to the people in Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution, a person who has not been convicted of a violent, felony crime and who is lawfully able to own or to possess a firearm under the Montana constitution is considered to be individually licensed and verified by the state of Montana within the meaning of the provisions regarding individual licensure and verification in the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act.
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keith44spl
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Ahh, plastic guns and plastic gear.....Jees, no respect at all.
That thar is something that should be kept hidden in public.
Steel & Leather are for open carry..........
Jest sayin'
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That thar is something that should be kept hidden in public.
Steel & Leather are for open carry..........
Jest sayin'
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DumpStick
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A parent can temporarily take their child out of school for any reason, or no reason. An explanation is not necessary. The school is not the legal representative of the child, the parent is.
The reason that schools require a parental note for a child's absence is to be certain the parent is aware of the absence.
I had a friend who would occasionally go get his boy out of school to go fishing. No explanation offered. The school would ask why, he would say "Because I'm his father."
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The 2A quite clearly reads to "BEAR" arms shall not be infringed. Bear = carry.
As far as God-given...
I really like the way AWR Hawkins explains it.
We don't have the right to keep and bear arms because the Bill of Rights says so; rather, the Bill of Rights says so because the right to keep and bear arms is intrinsic to our very being: it is a right with which we were endowed by our Creator.
How are gun rights God-given and inalienable? | The Daily Caller
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I occasionally got a day off from school to go hunt with a letter explaining I was getting a life lesson. One teacher asked what a life lesson was. I told her I was getting lessons in etiquette from adults. She kinda looked at me funny cause I was in the 6th grade. Mrs Baxter..hard as nails but she was of the older generation. Figured I had gotten a butt whupping I think. I did acquire one of them every now and again.
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It's funny how some people react. I did a test at work one time, bought a water pistol (red)
painted it black and put it in a holster, strapped it to my belt on my work clothes.
Walked around among my coworkers with a "Crazy face" on.
Not one comment.
Sweden is a "no carry" country, as in "NO CARRY WHAT SO EVER"
but no one even asked about the "gun" on my belt.
I would hazard that doing something like that might be hazardous to your health?
That's sort of correct, although the child will face an inability to make up the work if the absence does not meet the policy requirement for an excused absence. A family vacation does not meet that requirement. As far as the school not being the legal representative of the child, you might want to explore "in loco parentis . . . "
rburg
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You know, I open carried for a long,long time. Every darn fall out I'd go with absolutely no covering on my shotgun or rifle. I'd hike all over creation, toting the long gun up and uncovered. It didn't attract a single bit of interest from anyone who saw me. It was called hunting. Its what we did. And I'm not so sure hunting is covered by the 2A. Its widely assumed to be, but who really cares. Now some worse information. I'm going to bet the hunters are a lot better shots than the folks lugging the plastic guns.
And then there was the time I went to a funeral with a gunbelt and a fancy engraved Colt. With me being widely known as a S&W gun nut. It was at a friends fathers funeral. The old guy had gone camping and shooting with us for a lot of years. I made friends with him early on. We had been dirt bike riding down in the National Forest. We'd gotten back and some of our yokels had taken up some beer. Others where horsing around. I was sitting in front of my tent smearing polish on my riding boots. Only took 15 minutes. That really impressed the old guy. And we'd become friends for other reasons, one being he was diabetic and at work we were going to stop carrying non-sugar candy. One of my managers had a couple of big boxes and before she tossed it, she asked me if I knew anyone. Yep, Pop Reynolds. He was the happiest man alive, thinking his warden like wife would prevent him from ever eating candy again. Now he probably had 20# of the stuff.
So when Pop passed away, I carried to his services. Some rude young girl asked "why do you need a gun at a funeral". To which Pops son answered "Because daddy would have liked it." He was a good old guy. I don't know if anyone will carry to my upcoming funeral. I don't even want a funeral.
And then there was the time I went to a funeral with a gunbelt and a fancy engraved Colt. With me being widely known as a S&W gun nut. It was at a friends fathers funeral. The old guy had gone camping and shooting with us for a lot of years. I made friends with him early on. We had been dirt bike riding down in the National Forest. We'd gotten back and some of our yokels had taken up some beer. Others where horsing around. I was sitting in front of my tent smearing polish on my riding boots. Only took 15 minutes. That really impressed the old guy. And we'd become friends for other reasons, one being he was diabetic and at work we were going to stop carrying non-sugar candy. One of my managers had a couple of big boxes and before she tossed it, she asked me if I knew anyone. Yep, Pop Reynolds. He was the happiest man alive, thinking his warden like wife would prevent him from ever eating candy again. Now he probably had 20# of the stuff.
So when Pop passed away, I carried to his services. Some rude young girl asked "why do you need a gun at a funeral". To which Pops son answered "Because daddy would have liked it." He was a good old guy. I don't know if anyone will carry to my upcoming funeral. I don't even want a funeral.
Does it help if you call it a "Natural Right"? As in the natural right to defend yourself?
The 2nd Amendment acknowledges the pre-existing right to self defense, it doesn't grant it. " ... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms ... "
The entire Constitution was written in plain English (as opposed to a lot of scholarly gibberish legalese) because the average people of the day needed to understand it and vote on it (and how cool was that?).
It means exactly what it says and nothing more or less. And it says " ... the right to keep and bear Arms ... "
It's all the scholarly re-interpreters that have introduced confusion.
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The majority of people open carry for that very reason. It's about the way we prioritize. Since concealed isn't tactically superior or legally required, I don't prioritize concealment above more important things like effective gun/caliber, ease of access, and comfort. I carry indifferently- if it shows it shows, why should I care?
It's telling when people project negative motives on open carry, as though their method of prioritizing is better than anyone else's. I suppose I could project negative motives on the 'concealed only' people, like they conceal so as to not be noticed when they're at the playground eyeing the children, but that would be every bit as nonsensical as to suppose people open carry for attention or other negative reasons.
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I went in to a pizza joint the other day to get the grand son a bite of lunch.
Unbeknownst to me, my brush-popper Carhartt jacket had ridden up over my 44 spl.
and it seems no one else noticed or cared.
Not one scream or dirty look did I receive....Even if someone had gave me the evil eye,
I wouldn't have know what it was for....other than maybe
I had jailed em sometime in the past.
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Unbeknownst to me, my brush-popper Carhartt jacket had ridden up over my 44 spl.
and it seems no one else noticed or cared.
Not one scream or dirty look did I receive....Even if someone had gave me the evil eye,
I wouldn't have know what it was for....other than maybe
I had jailed em sometime in the past.
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Rastoff
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OK, I didn't see it in this thread so, I gotta ask, what's an MT HP?
Maybe Montana Highway Patrol?
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Very well said--and I wouldnt change a word. Also-the above is exactly like it was through the 80s in my home town. It was just natural to see guns stacked or on wall pegs-in most any eating establishment--sometimes in other type stores--drug storre lunch counters-etc. I remember walking downtown in Kingsville-on Saturdays and Sundays--farmers with shotgune-others with rifles-just ambling along on their way up and down the area-nobody minded at all. Kids-like me then--loved eyeballing-talking about and often getting to fondle long-arms. My dad sometimes carried a shotgun-or his Winchester 1894. Man I really do miss those days.
The only places I cant remember seeing guns in-were the Texas Theater--and maybe-the post office. Heck, even back in the early 90s--one could still walk into Kleberg First National bank (across the street from the post office) with their rifles and such. I did many times carying my Mauser 98--which folks oft asked if I werre selling? which was nope.
Anyway-back to high school days. I still remember a few who also hunted in the mornings-during whatever seasons-bringing in Quail, Duck, Javelina SP? deer-etc-which were always hung up in the Ag building.
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Im no expert but, I believe the God Given Right--was mentioned in the Constitution...
Im no expert but, I believe the God Given Right--was mentioned in the Constitution...
I think that was the Declaration of Independence . . . .
mike from st pete
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I'm a wannabe, I want to be comfortable. Slinging a rifle ain't comfortable.
In muggy Florida wearing light weight clothing is preferred. While I'd not strap on a drop holster not worrying over something showing if my shirt blows open would be nice.
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^^^^^
LOL,
When I was a boy, I wanted to be like my father and his cronies.
They purty much all open carried a sidearm or two.
Yes, I was a wanna be......I wanted to be a Lawman too, and by the grace of God I made it!!!
I don't paint humanity in general with too awful broad a brush.
It just might be one of those 'wanna be good guys' that could save some officer of the law's bacon.
If two or three has me down and trying to stomp the life outta me...
A wanna be good guy would come in right handy, I do believe.
Jest sayin, and thar's coming a time before long Boys,
that a lot of folks will be carrying a sidearm and maybe a carbine to boot.
Open carry or concealed....The only 'tactical advantage' is situational awareness.
I try to look up and around once in a while.
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You are correct, hunting is not a right it is a privilege. The activity is allowed by state government and in some instances regulated in "duality", meaning both federal and state regulations apply (migratory bird hunting). It is like driving, you must be licensed and pass a certification course. Privileges can be revoked by the governing entity. Rights can't be revoked, although they can be waived.
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Well I never wanted to be a cop thank goodness. It is truly a thankless job(IMO)...that said I even worked for a while as a fire investigator for our dept. I was talking to one of the deputies here at home the other day.. Wants to rent our ground. We discussed issues such as pay for the local po leece. It is unbelievable that they can get people to work for them. That said luckily we have a low crime rate here. I hope that the kinda prediction you made about having to carry and possibly even a carbine does not come to pass. But there are some places in the US that are sinkholes of depravity and the local powers that be don't want or intend to fix the problems that cause it.
keith44spl
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Skeet,
When ever I travel south-west out of Ft Worth,
I've got a carbine of some kind along for the ride.....
Ya know what they's say, Dallas is where the East peters out
and Ft. Worth is where the West begins,,, (Smiley Thang)
* On Topic, I've open carried in Montana & Wyoming both....
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Ogandydancer
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It pays to be vigilant, especially these days when it seems to be there is a nut job around every corner.
tomf52
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Around this area, maybe statewide for all I know, schools are closed the first day of deer season.
