Is brake cleaner the same as the gun degreasers?

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This should be an easy question - is the aerosol brake cleaner the same as the aerosol gun degreasers? I know that many advocate using brake cleaner and then immediately oiling. It's considerably less expensive than those sold as gun degreasers. Or even carburetor cleaner? I know they have different purposes, but which are suitable for use on guns. Please note that I'm referring to metal surfaces only - no plastic or finished wood stocks are invited to the party. For example, a S&W K38 stripped down for a full cleaning.
 
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Yes, if not exactly the same, then for all practical purposes the same. Be sure to get non chlorinated brake cleaner. It's much safer to use.

Chlorinated, if exposed to heat, will turn into Phosgene Gas. A few breaths of that can kill you. Normally you wouldn't heat it, but let's say you wanted to clean a gun part for silver soldering, then heat it with a torch. You are going to use the cleaner you have on hand, right? I won't have Chlorinated in the shop. I could be brazing or tig welding something and forget.
 
I think non chlorinated brake clean is mostly acetone. It probably evaporates too fast to be an effective gun cleaner, rather than sitting and dissolving it’s more of a rinse. Containing this rinse would be more difficult than using a small amount of bore solvent.
 
I think non chlorinated brake clean is mostly acetone. It probably evaporates too fast to be an effective gun cleaner, rather than sitting and dissolving it’s more of a rinse. Containing this rinse would be more difficult than using a small amount of bore solvent.

I use non chlorinated brake parts cleaner to prep my guns before painting them. I hang the parts outdoors and liberally hose them down letting any excess drip onto the ground. As commented it evaporates very quicky.

I see no reason to use it for general gun cleaning.
 
Brake cleaner is a good degreaser and not dangerous to your guns so long as you follow it with oil. However, carburetor cleaner is a different animal. In most formulations, it is highly corrosive. It may work well on metal parts, but it wouldn't be good for polymers or plastics of any kind. I saw the plastic sight insert on a revolver dissolved when carburetor cleaner was used.
 
Scroll down to the bottom of this thread and look at all the similar threads. I am not gonna repeat it all. The whole chlorinated, no chlorinated thing is BS, Using a Break Kleen RED is chlorinated it is the same as Brownells Degreaser
It is TCE. it is non flammable. The phosgene gas BS is if you heat something with a high temp torch while there is some residual on the metal, So don't clean your gun with a cutting torch!
The non chlorinated is Flammable and has other chemicals like acetone so be aware on plastic guns

I use the red can all the time in a well ventilated are with eye protection, on METAL parts like the BARREL


PS: look up the SDS on the different products.
 
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As per the MSDS of brake clean is 80%-90% acetone, 10%- 20% carbon dioxide, and 1%-3% Toluene. Non-chlorinated is made up of 9 chemicals, mostly methanol, acetone and toluene. My experience with plain brake clean is that it will melt some plastics. (I had to rewire an auxiliary generator motor on a Water Utility truck because the operator "cleaned" the engine with plain brake clean and the generator had cheap wiring with cheap insulation)...
 
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Maybe, or maybe not! The various brake cleaner and gun cleaner products can contain any of several organic solvents. The only way to know about specific products is to compare the contents which are listed on the label or the MSDS's.



BTW, much of the information given in above posts is erroneous!!!!! Nothing can be generalized about this subject.
 
I use to clean and repair fishing reels. I collected old casting reels. Only part on them not metal was crank handles. Many of these old reels sat for years of non use. The old grease turned solid and I used everything from gasoline to carburetor cleaner. Some guys saw me using this on those old reels and used it on a new free spool reel made out of plastics of some kind. It made some parts sticky and turned some others into goo. So you got to be careful what a particular solvent will do to your gun. Almost all of it will ruin finish on wood. I would be hesitant to use any cleaner on parts that weren’t steel.
 
Scroll down to the bottom of this thread and look at all the similar threads. I am not gonna repeat it all. The whole chlorinated, no chlorinated thing is BS, Using a Break Kleen RED is chlorinated it is the same as Brownells Degreaser
It is TCE. it is non flammable. The phosgene gas BS is if you heat something with a high temp torch while there is some residual on the metal, So don't clean your gun with a cutting torch!


PS: look up the SDS on the different products.

Look up the MSDS and READ them...

From CRC's MSDS on Brakleen "Pro Series" (red label,
chlorinated):

. When exposed to extreme heat or hot
surfaces, vapors may decompose to harmful or fatal corrosive gases such as hydrogen chloride
and possibly phosgene.


http://docs.crcindustries.com/msds/1008012E.pdf

And National Institute of Health, notes the following:

Tetrachloroethylene is a colorless, volatile, nonflammable, liquid, chlorinated hydrocarbon with an ether-like odor that may emit toxic fumes of phosgene when exposed to sunlight or flames.


Tetrachloroethylene is reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen and may be linked to an increased risk of developing skin, colon, lung, esophageal, and urogenital tract cancer as well as lymphosarcoma and leukemia.

In addition to eye and skin inflammation from contacting liquid tetrachloroethylene, inhalation of its vapor can cause central nervous system depression, liver necrosis, and effects on the lung, heart, and kidney. Tetrachloroethylene's sweet chloroform-like odor may warn of its presence at a sub-TLV level of 4.68 ppm; however, the distinctive odor of tetrachloroethylene does not necessarily provide adequate warning. Because tetrachloroethylene quickly desensitizes olfactory responses, persons can suffer exposure to vapor concentrations in excess of TLV limits without smelling it.


Tetrachloroethylene | Cl2C=CCl2 - PubChem
 
As per the MSDS of brake clean is 80%-90% acetone, 10%- 20% carbon dioxide, and 1%-3% Toluene.

That's the "green label" Brakleen. The "red label" Brakleen is
the chlorinated (trichloroethylene).
 
A restoration shop,,of some note,,I worked in had a set up made to de-grease wood. It was made up to be able to place gun stocks in and be able to draw the excess oil out of them that so often is in place inside them.
It was made to work Fast. That was the key.

The usual method(s) were just too slow for them.

This rig looked dangerous and as it turned out it was ,,very dangerous.

When I first saw it, I saw an elec heating coil of a rather large dia inside of a tube of sheet steel all setting in a verticle position. A couple of hoses and fittings on the outside. A electrical connection. All setting inside of a tray of sorts seeming to catch any 'dripping' of the said oil from the wood.

Standing right next to this contraption was a large industrial container of
tetrachloroethylene .
In bold letters on the lid of the 5 or 6 gallon container and on the side it said something about heat and phosgene gas.
That caught my attention.
Just the fact that it was Trichlorethelyne has as well

I read it more carefully. Not being a chemist type but being able to understand basic English, I knew that a wooden gun stock soaked in the trichlor should not be sitting inside the heating element to 'burn off' the solvent and draw out the oil as I had been told,,
"that's how the neat little machine works!,,it'll be you job to take care of those stocks"

Not today,,not ever!
That was an interesting if not dangerous place to work.

FWIW..another concern was 'What is that bad smell when I walk into the back workshop area in the morning?

Nothing to be concerned about I was told, someone spilled a couple bottles of deer lure scent in the archery dept and the the it's cleaned up but a little of the smell still comes back over nite. Open the doors and it's gone in 1/2 hr or so.

What it actually was... a 6" rotted out section in the propane line inside the building coming from the huge outside storage tank.
The line had rusted and rotted away from the storage of assorted containers of acid under a bench in a room used for rust bluing.
Those bottles of acid were right directly under that gas line within inches.
Right above and to the left of the open line was a rust blue water tank. feeding off that line.

How I never blew myself (I did the rust bluing) or that entire shop to pieces is beyond me.
Good thing I never lit up that tank early.
I can tell you I became a Believer after that .

Be careful with chemicals and stuff.
Guns don't have to be squeeky clean to work..
 
Look up the MSDS and READ them...

From CRC's MSDS on Brakleen "Pro Series" (red label,
chlorinated):

. When exposed to extreme heat or hot
surfaces, vapors may decompose to harmful or fatal corrosive gases such as hydrogen chloride
and possibly phosgene.


http://docs.crcindustries.com/msds/1008012E.pdf

And National Institute of Health, notes the following:

Tetrachloroethylene is a colorless, volatile, nonflammable, liquid, chlorinated hydrocarbon with an ether-like odor that may emit toxic fumes of phosgene when exposed to sunlight or flames.


Tetrachloroethylene is reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen and may be linked to an increased risk of developing skin, colon, lung, esophageal, and urogenital tract cancer as well as lymphosarcoma and leukemia.

In addition to eye and skin inflammation from contacting liquid tetrachloroethylene, inhalation of its vapor can cause central nervous system depression, liver necrosis, and effects on the lung, heart, and kidney. Tetrachloroethylene's sweet chloroform-like odor may warn of its presence at a sub-TLV level of 4.68 ppm; however, the distinctive odor of tetrachloroethylene does not necessarily provide adequate warning. Because tetrachloroethylene quickly desensitizes olfactory responses, persons can suffer exposure to vapor concentrations in excess of TLV limits without smelling it.


Tetrachloroethylene | Cl2C=CCl2 - PubChem




And your point is??? Both red and green have signal word DANGER! (a taste to a tsp can kill you!,

They are both toxic. Look of acetone and toluene!
Plus it is highly flammable


Once TCE has evaporated it is GONE. Plus like I said how often are you cleaning your gun with a propane torch ??



Acetone | CH3COCH3 - PubChem


Toluene | C6H5CH3 - PubChem





PICK YOUR POISON CAREFULLY:eek:
 
I just use approved gun cleaning/lube products and remove all the guess work and reading. Sure I could save a few pennies but my time and effort are far more valuable.

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Maybe, or maybe not! The various brake cleaner and gun cleaner products can contain any of several organic solvents. The only way to know about specific products is to compare the contents which are listed on the label or the MSDS's.



BTW, much of the information given in above posts is erroneous!!!!! Nothing can be generalized about this subject.

http://docs.crcindustries.com/msds/5151.pdf Scroll down to section 3...
 
Brake cleaner is a good degreaser and not dangerous to your guns so long as you follow it with oil. However, carburetor cleaner is a different animal. In most formulations, it is highly corrosive. It may work well on metal parts, but it wouldn't be good for polymers or plastics of any kind. I saw the plastic sight insert on a revolver dissolved when carburetor cleaner was used.

Carb cleaner has a lot of methyl ethyl ketone (MEK) in it, a solvent that makes acetone look like Evian spring water.

My old man was a materials engineer and had bottles of MEK lying around at home. I used to melt army men in it like something out of Who Framed Roger Rabbit. It works fast!

I hear there are new "CA safe" versions without MEK and all the great VOCs that make the stuff actually work.
 
Brake and Carburetor cleaners are strong solvents and will clean grungy caked on oils and crud.
Be careful around wood finishes and plastics as they might harm them ...brakes and carbs are all metal so there's no telling what it might do to a nice oil finish or plastic surface .
I've used them for years because they do cut the crud and are much cheaper than the "gun scrubbers" sold in the sporting goods section.
Gary
 
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