Against my better judgment I was looking at GB last night and seen something that did not look right. It was listed as a DAO 3913TSW (7 round). The slide was marked "Tactical" and it was DAO with no safety, the frame had model 3913TSW. My guess was that someone mixed and matched slides with a 3953TSW and is playing games. Anyone else see this?
Is it a 3913 or a 3953TSW
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I'd have to get a better look at the slide, but I think that might be a conversion of a 3913TSW to DAO. The slides between the 3953 and 3913 were different, I think the 3953 had a slightly longer frame.
If it's a factory conversion, AND I could get it into MA, I'd give some hard consideration to buying that.
It's a sweet looking gun.
If it's a factory conversion, AND I could get it into MA, I'd give some hard consideration to buying that.
It's a sweet looking gun.
I was curious about the gun you are talking about but couldn't find it. What is it listed under? I did see a two tone 3913, which I've never seen before. Possibly a frankengun? Or did S&W offer it at one time?
JohnHL
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It has the DAO hammer so it is definitely a conversion.
The question is: By who? (whom?)
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The question is: By who? (whom?)
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Why do you think the slides would be different if they are both 3.5" barrels, other than the safety plug, with both being TSW's. Frame wise, they both would be the same other than the hammers. Length wise they would match the scallop of the slide in the front. Just curious...
Bartman3562
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True build dao guns have a longer slide in back. Partially shrouds the hammer.
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Just to add, I bought a CS9 da/sa and sent it back to S&W for conversion to DAO, I think original DAO CS9's have the D stamp next to the model number on the frame
The guns converted from TDA to DAO are built differently than the guns built from the ground up as DAO. Why S&W did it that way, I don't know. The 457D, built for Chicago PD, and the 3914DAO, built for NYPD, allow for a second pull of the trigger without cycling the slide. The guns built from the ground up, don't allow for that.
I think the CS9D falls into the first category too.
I think the CS9D falls into the first category too.
I went back and looked up the serial number "MSF" on the pistol in question. My 3913TSW is MSE around 1997 build. If the 3953TSW were available in the same time period, 1997-1999, why would S&W consider making a 3913TSW DAO?
See my post just below yours. They function differently and someone obviously wanted the ability to pull the trigger more than once without cycling the action.
red feather
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I have heard the NYPD had some converted to DO. It may be a police turn in..
Maybe. NYPD did authorize a DAO version of the 3914 for officers to buy for off duty use. I believe that NYPD officers have to buy all of their uniforms and equipment from authorized vendors.
A few 3914DAO guns show up on gun auction sites from time to time, but I've never seen a 3913DAO listed.
Kadonny
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I think that gun has been bought/sold a few times lately. I remember seeing it a few months ago on GB for sale and it went for like $800 or something.....if that's the same gun.
James&theGiant1911
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either way it is more than likely a conversion, it reminds me of a Shorty 40 someone on here has and they said RARE DAO. Well it is within 50 serial numbers of my Shorty 40 and there is no RARE DAO Shorty 40 in that series someone converted it to DAO which on these 3rd gens does not make much difference in the hide ability of the firearm. I like the DA/ SA trigger pull myself on the standard firearm. DAO 3rd gens have different model numbers than your standard 3913, 6906 etc. like the op stated 3953 etc.
Well, except for the 3914DAO made for NYPD and the 457D made for Chicago PD. Factory made variants.
Which brings me to another thought. S&W revolvers made for LAPD were either converted by the armory or came from the factory DAO (I forget which). Didn't LAPD use the 5906 at some point? There those left TDA or were they converted? It's probably been covered before, but I don't recall ever seeing it mentioned.
James&theGiant1911
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If you order enough of them Smith and Wesson would make anything for any department. While they may carry the mod 3913/4 stamp but sold with DAO. Those guns will have armorer marks and are department specific. I would not consider them run of the mill 3913s. In those worlds simpler is better which is probably why they ordered them without safeties. The person running their gun program wants to be able to take a hammer (for example) and be able to place it on any pistol within their inventory.
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