Is it me or are most revolver holster just wrong?

I carry my 442 in a In the pants waste band holster by Don Hume , I really like the way the gun fits and stays put. I have the one with the belt loops that snap to fasten to my belt, you can get the same holster with a clip also.
I just ordered one for my M&P compact.
 
Originally posted by JamesArthur60:
Here's another brand to confuse you, Don Hume:

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How do you like that holster? I looked at one the other day and while I can't complain about the quality, it seemed like the gun rode too high and the clip was in the wrong palce. (i.e. right on the fattest part of the gun.)
 
I probably offer more revolver scabbard and holster designs than any other custom maker in the world, and probably more IWB designs for small revolvers, in particular. I have made thousands of them, for over 40 years.

The "learning curve" has been to understand that no single design is a panacea. That is why we offer several different styles and designs. What works well for one fellow or gal, may not work for you at all. We often receive calls from puzzeled customers, especially new or first time CCW permit holders concerning selection. We ask the standard questions, which weapon, what climate do you live in, the type of clothing you wear typically when armed, circumstances of being armed i.e. in the car/truck, customers height and weight, intended carry position, etc. (I NEVER ask the ladies how much they weigh, lol) But, from those questions we can begin to narrow the selection and explain the tradeoffs in design features.

Ultimately, the customer will make an informed choice based upon this dialogue and observation of the holster photos on our website catalog.

The J frame revolver has been around for quite some time, as a result, there have been many holsters designed for their use. Some are very good, despite having little design imagination, others are very pretty but absurdly poor designs that exaggerate the weapon size to the point of impracticality or worse yet, are improperly balanced like that Don Hume model pictured above. That rig is just waiting to spit the revolver out when you bend over. If the clip is also as poorly designed and doesn't have a bottom tooth, I'd bet the farm you'll draw the holster along with the gun if it has been boned or detail molded for retention. Innovation for the sake of aesthetic appeal alone do not a holster make, says me!

I have seen holsters that approach the size of a dinner plate designed for IWB carry. Made of excessively thick leathers with 2 snap fastened belt loops and/or clip attachments. I have heard guys on this very forum attest to their excellent performance which amuses me to no end. The last thing I want is a large bulky holster bulging in my waistband just to carry a little J frame. I don't care how pretty it is. Caution yourself against charlatans and their advice. I've read plenty of silly stuff by so called "experts" here, and elsewhere, and not limited to the subject of holsters.

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For 25 years or so, I carried my back up (off duty) piece, a J frame, in an IWB positioned at the appendix. In numerous knock down drag out altercations, foot chases over fences and during falls, I never once lost that weapon or the 4 inch M&P service revolver I carried with it, while working in plainclothes. IWB revolver holsters must seat the weapon deeply enough into the waist so that the cylinder top is at least level or lower than, the top of the beltline. Positioning the clip tab over the triggerguard and away from the cylinder reduces bulge and improves comfort.

My single largest criticism of several holster makers, are that they often copy another makers inferior design because most of them, never had an original idea in their entire life. They are nothing more than factory "hacks" pretending to be custom makers. If you know what works for you that's fine, If you don't, ask as many questions as possible. If the maker won't take the time to speak with you or has a customer service rep who can't answer your question, then I would conclude that either they are unprepared to answer your questions or simply don't care whether you buy their product or not.

In closing, to the original poster;

Most revolver holster's aren't wrong for everyone, but they may be wrong for you. Best of luck!
 
Lefty, the Oldflatfoot, knows his stuff. Better advice would be difficult to find. He hasn't spent most of his life carrying a handgun, and making holsters, without learning what works and what doesn't.

I really enjoy working with customers who are open to suggestions based upon their needs, and I don't recall many incidents of people being unhappy with the results.

On the other hand, I do have a few customers who arrive with a crystal clear idea of what they want, based upon something they have read somewhere, then aren't completely satisfied with the results (for their application).
 
Here are a few of several different IWB designs I craft. The SUMMER HEAT model. Designed to deeply seat the weapon with a fully shrouded hammer, open muzzle to reduce bulk and clip tab positioned over the trigger guard to reduce cylinder bulge. The issue of cylinder bulge is really a minor one though, the difference is just marginal.

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Some are very simple, like these two CHICAGO ROCKER models, but perform effectively. Note the mouthband reinforcement is integral with the clip tab, avoiding placement of the clip tab too low on the holster which will position the weapon much too high. I try to avoid boning IWB rigs and in most cases only lightly wet case mold the leather. This prevents retarding the draw. When properly friction fit, retention is achieved to a very satisfactory level without boning or wet case detail molding in a press, which will deform the clip tab everytime.
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For larger revolvers like the Model 19 .357 pictured riding in my SENTRY model, I try to keep the leather to a minimum and crush fit a hammer shroud to minimize contact with clothing and body.
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There are dozens of holster makers who can competently craft these kind of rigs. I am pleased to tell you that I know many, if not most of them personally. The large majority of them are former or active lawmen who understand performance from an experiential level. The premier custom makers owe their success and popularity to a combination of skill, innovation and testimonials from consumers, but there are many lesser known custom shops that craft outstanding gun leather. There's been a couple of them participating here on the S&W forum. From what I've seen of their work, these fellows are sure to achieve greater popularity. As for me, I'm on the other side of the hill as they say. So I'm very pleased to see other makers succeed and hopefully prosper from their hard work, dilligence and devotion to craftsmanship.
 
Lefty

Thanks for telling it like it is. I have long admired both your common sense approach to holster making and your craftmanship. I've also been a lifetime admirer of Chic Gaylord and his influence on modern holster making. As a matter of fact, when I was 7 or 8 years old I wore out a school library copy of what I remember as a book titled "Six Guns." I remember several photos of Chic Gaylord and his holsters.
 
I have dealt with Lobo several times on holsters for my autos. I have a Mika pocket holster to carry my J-frame in. I carry it the most as it's the easiest to conceal in the area in which I live. Around here it's hot and humid summers, hardly the type weather for layered clothing.
 
Originally posted by Randyc:
Lefty

Thanks for telling it like it is. I have long admired both your common sense approach to holster making and your craftmanship. I've also been a lifetime admirer of Chic Gaylord and his influence on modern holster making. As a matter of fact, when I was 7 or 8 years old I wore out a school library copy of what I remember as a book titled "Six Guns." I remember several photos of Chic Gaylord and his holsters.

Randy;

Chic's work was frequently illustrated in many books and periodicals during the 50's and 60's. His friend Elmer Keith, authored the book entitled "Sixguns" to which you refer. If I'm not mistaken there were two editions. The latter, included some of Chic's work, the former did not. I have both editions, one signed by Elmer Keith.

Among his many acquaintences, Elmer and Charlie Askins were regular guests at Chic's rather notorious parties held in conjunction with the NRA annual conventions. The three were "old time" westerners, Chic hailing from Delta County Colorado, so they had a good deal in common beyond their interests in handguns, hunting and shooting.

More interesting though, is the fact that the book was in a school library. At the time it probably wasn't unusual. Today, you'd probably get arrested just for having it in school. Sad times in America, sad times.
 
I have been carrying for over 18 years now & I have never forgotton the PRIMARY reason for it. To PROTECT my own life--my loved one's & possibly others in a life threating encounter. In the 1970's I had to frequently board ships from unknown ports of origin while serving in the US COAST GUARD. I learned real quick that when the ---- hits, the last thing that matters is CARRY COMFORT. Do you really think this concept changes in the civilian world? Please people, carry the biggest ,baddest caliber you can SHOOT WELL. Get looser clothes to help conceil or whatever. Remember---you carry for a specific reason--Your'e not auditioning for GQ Magazine. If you FAIL in your'e mission, that COMFORT FACTOR is going to be HEAVIER on you than that little gun ever was. I carry an L FRAME SMITH & WESSON 357 3IN BARREL IN A SURVIVAL SHEATH CHEST HOLSTER DAILY. THIS IS AN 8 IN REVOLVER WEIGHING APPROX 38 OZ. ITS PART OF MY COMFORT ZONE NOW & IT DIDNT TAKE LONG TO GET USED TO IT AT ALL. If the event ever comes, I WILL NOT have to second guess myself on the issue of SELF DEFENSE versus CARRY COMFORT. DON'T LOOSE FOCUS PEOPLE & REMEMBER-----PRACTICE--PRACTICE--PRACTICE & MORE PRACTICE
 
Originally posted by Saggitar:
I have been carrying for over 18 years now & I have never forgotton the PRIMARY reason for it. To PROTECT my own life--my loved one's & possibly others in a life threating encounter. In the 1970's I had to frequently board ships from unknown ports of origin while serving in the US COAST GUARD. I learned real quick that when the ---- hits, the last thing that matters is CARRY COMFORT. Do you really think this concept changes in the civilian world? Please people, carry the biggest ,baddest caliber you can SHOOT WELL. Get looser clothes to help conceil or whatever. Remember---you carry for a specific reason--Your'e not auditioning for GQ Magazine. If you FAIL in your'e mission, that COMFORT FACTOR is going to be HEAVIER on you than that little gun ever was. I carry an L FRAME SMITH & WESSON 357 3IN BARREL IN A SURVIVAL SHEATH CHEST HOLSTER DAILY. THIS IS AN 8 IN REVOLVER WEIGHING APPROX 38 OZ. ITS PART OF MY COMFORT ZONE NOW & IT DIDNT TAKE LONG TO GET USED TO IT AT ALL. If the event ever comes, I WILL NOT have to second guess myself on the issue of SELF DEFENSE versus CARRY COMFORT. DON'T LOOSE FOCUS PEOPLE & REMEMBER-----PRACTICE--PRACTICE--PRACTICE & MORE PRACTICE

Saggitar;

Let me be the first to welcome you to the forum. You make some interesting comments. But I'm a little confused. Is your revolver a 3 inch or an 8 inch? You first say it's a 3 inch, then an 8 inch.

Comfort definitely does matter. The "concept" you mention does change in the "civilian world" where many people are limited by circumstances, regulation or convention and must use a smaller weapon for discretion. There are many people who cannot afford to be discovered armed at their workplaces for reasons of propriety. This prevents them perhaps from selecting larger, sometimes more powerful arms for their everyday use. In other words, sometimes large pistols are just not practical in certain circumstances.

I do agree with you that one should carry a weapon they can shoot competently and that practice is very important. For most people, larger frame revolvers provide better sight pictures, absorb more recoil and generally are more accurate when compared with small frame revolvers. But despite that, most folks either prefer or require a smaller sized weapon for the reasons I have already stated.

Judging only by my own experience, both in law enforcement and as a holster maker, small J frame S&W revolvers far exceed L frame revolvers, in any barrel length over 2 1/2 inches, for popular use in concealment. I understand that it may work for some folks, but certainly not the majority.

Today, you can have any number of smaller, lighter J frames chambered in .357 Magnum, so the trade off, in both size and weight, is rather considerable.
 
Lefty,

Thanks for the welcome. Sorry for the confusion. My carry weapon is a Smith &Wesson 686 plus 7 shot 357 Mag-- 3 in barrel -- 8 inches overall length. About the same OAL as my Colt 45 1911 which I carried for about 14 years until I regressed back into the wheel guns of my youth. I carry the 686 now because I prefer to carry the weapon that I like to shoot &practice the most with. Just a personal preference. As to the comfort issue, I have a J frame S&W 38 Chiefs Special & a Colt 38 Commando which I have also carried at times but I do not seem to have the issues of adapting to carrying the larger weapons as some people do. My priorty has never changed in the last 18 years. I understand your'e observations on MOST peoples reasoning for smaller weapons, but like I said before-- when the ---- hits your;e not going to think about comfort, just firepower &accuracy. Thanks a bunch for the dialouge. By the way , Im going to check out your'e website for a houlster for my new Taurus 40 24/7 4In BBL. Any suggestions? Thanks Saggitar
 
Saggitar;

There are quite a few different styles of holsters you might find suitable for your Taurus. Which of those might suit your particular needs, is largely a personal decision.

A fairly significant number of my clients do carry large frame wheelguns, generally, with short barrels for concealment. Personally, I championed that practice many years ago when Colt and S&W literally refused to produce .44 and .45 large frame revolvers with 2 1/2 inch barrels. That's another story that I've discussed previously, elsewhere on this forum. Here is my favorite of that breed of serious shootin'iron;
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Colt New Service .45 LC 2 1/2 inch barrel.
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For some folks this would be impractical to carry. For others it might be just perfect. I have no real criticism of either choice but I understand that it's never as simple as we sometimes imagine, selecting the perfect carry gun and accessories for every conceiveable circumstance.

I came across this photo I took a few years ago. It helps illustrate my point. Although the Colt is certainly heavier, it's not any less concealable than this 3 inch S&W Model 60 .357 with the right gunleather.
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I usally carry a model 60 in a safariland soft leathe IWB at at the appendix position most times. When I need more have a 3" 686 plus and a Milt Spark IWB I carry in the small of my back
 
Originally posted by biggs357:
I don't care for iwb only because i don't like buying pants in another size,I carry all my guns this way.
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For an OWB carry, I think the Bianchi Black Widow (like this) is the most comfortable I have found
 
I am happy with the enthusiastic response to my original post. Bill to respond to your request as to how I like My Barami Hip grips I will say this. They are low cost, no-frills, well (snug) fitted to the J frame, and hold the gun tight putting the cylinder below the belt, but I must say that shooting standard .38's is far more uncomfortable than my big rubber bannana grips that I used to have. The difference in shooting these skinny grips is giving me second thought about them on my airweight. I may buy some Tgrips? Otherwise I love the hip-grips. I also carry a seecamp .32 or Keltec .380 in the pocket most of the time. What I like about these pocket pistols is that with the right pocket holster they print just like a wallet in the front pocket, but they do have their limitations.

I have determined that I just can't deal with any type of belt carry at home or at work. I just don't live in a "state of risk" that requires such drastic day to day carry requirement as a civilian. For me it has to be so comfortable as to allow me to carry confidently to the point of almost forgetting I am carrying to make it work for me. This is just my personal situation and using a pocket pistol allows me to carry all the time. If the world around me changed to a point where I was in potential danger on a regular or even occasional basis I would certainly change my approach. I like carrying the J frame as a change of pace and it sure feels good in the belt with the hip grips!
 
Knew you'd like them Bluesman. I understand about them being a little deficient in the felt recoil department but I don't find it all that bad with standard loads. Wouldn't want to burn through a box with them but thats not what their all about anyhow. They hide nice and carry secure. Best to ya.
 
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