Is my timing correct? Just back from my Gunsmith!

[Jalopiejoe]

I just had an action job and cylinder ream done on my 617-6 by a well known local Gunsmith!
I was was looking over it today and noticed that when I pull the hammer back slowly in SA and it locks in sear on several charge holes the cylinder is just a hair shy of locking into the cylinder stop!!
Not quite as noticeable in DA because of the inertia but still happens occasionally!
I cannot stage the DA trigger as before.
Can anyone give me some input about this as I think I should give my Gunsmith a visit next week??

 

[minconrevo]

When your trigger is pulled slowly in DA, your action should fully stage, with the cylinder solidly locking in place, before the hammer falls. Same in SA with the slow hammer cocking motion. Double verify before making the trip back to the 'smith.

 

[Jalopiejoe]

When your trigger is pulled slowly in DA, your action should fully stage, with the solidly cylinder locking in place, before the hammer falls. Same in SA with the slow hammer cocking motion. Double verify before making the trip back to the 'smith.

It does not!
What's going on?
Did he remove material from the hand to change the timing?
It was fine when I took it in!

 

[minconrevo]

Demonstrate to him what's happening. Cycle the action SLOWLY. He should fix it, on his dime. It might require an oversized hand; might take something else.

Did you specify a target or a carry action? If carry it should reliably set off ammo primed with CCI and S&B primers in double action. If target, it may only be 100% reliable on first DA pull on Federal primed ammo.

 

[alwslate]

“Gunsmiths” do more harm to revolvers than owners do by simply using them.

 

[Jalopiejoe]

“Gunsmiths” do more harm to revolvers than owners do by simply using them.

Yeah, this guy is supposed to be one of the best!
I'm really disappointed!!

 

[Jalopiejoe]

Demonstrate to him what's happening. Cycle the action SLOWLY. He should fix it, on his dime. It might require an oversized hand; might take something else.

Did you specify a target or a carry action? If carry it should reliably set off ammo primed with CCI and S&B primers in double action. If target, it may only be 100% reliable on first DA pull on Federal primed ammo.

I'm a plinker, he talked alot about competition!

 

[muzzlestuffer2012]

How much cylinder shake do you have is it sloppy or tight ?

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[bigggbbruce]

I sent my 10 shot 617 to Smith & Wesson for timing problems. They changed out the hand and it came back even worse. So just go out and yank the trigger it's only a 22. Spits a little.

 

[muzzlestuffer2012]

I just finished my 617 action it locks up tight as a drum every pull it either the hand or the cylinder latch I'm leaning towards the hand but he should have very easily checked that before it left his shop !

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[Jalopiejoe]

How much cylinder shake do you have is it sloppy or tight ?

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Pretty tight, just a little shake!

 

[Jalopiejoe]

I just finished my 617 action it locks up tight as a drum every pull it either the hand or the cylinder latch I'm leaning towards the hand but he should have very easily checked that before it left his shop !

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I think he removed some material from the hand! It didn't used to do this.

 

[Rlg#17]

If he’s good he shouldn’t have removed material from the hand. Timing of a S&W is done by fitting the ratchets to the hand, something that takes awhile to learn. Sounds like the cylinder stop is out of whack, spring bad, etc. Something along that line I’m thinking. Point of stop could be long, stop spring bad (unusual but possible), stop not fitting the notches in the cylinder. AND if you or him took too much off the face of the trigger, the timing between the hand, ratchets, cylinder or stop could be *****.

Take it back to him and explain what is up. I would say an easy fix, but hard to nail down without it in my hot little hands.

Regards,
Rick Gibbs

 

[Jalopiejoe]

If he’s good he shouldn’t have removed material from the hand. Timing of a S&W is done by fitting the ratchets to the hand, something that takes awhile to learn. Sounds like the cylinder stop is out of whack, spring bad, etc. Something along that line I’m thinking. Point of stop could be long, stop spring bad (unusual but possible), stop not fitting the notches in the cylinder. AND if you or him took too much off the face of the trigger, the timing between the hand, ratchets, cylinder or stop could be *****.

Take it back to him and explain what is up. I would say an easy fix, but hard to nail down without it in my hot little hands.

Regards,
Rick Gibbs

Thanks! I don't know what he did but it's going back this week!

 

[chief38]

This is precisely why I started doing my own work 40+ years ago. I had a well known and popular Professional GS completely ruin two gorgeous Colt SAA Revolvers! I finally said, "NO MORE" and taught myself to do what ever I needed to. Today I pride myself on doing better Smithing than any GS I know. NOT because I am so smart, NOT because I am the best, and certainly NOT because I am a trained expert - BUT because I take my time, figure things out methodically, and spend however long it takes to get the results I want - I am one persistent guy! A professional will not loose money and if a job is taking too long, he will (for the most part) speed things up just to finish. I don't give a hoot if a job that would take a Pro. GS an hour, takes me a day - it gets done right.

I truly (and I am not making fun of or trying to degrade anyone out there) am glad I was born with mechanical and cognitive abilities to fix just about anything I set my mind to. I truly feel bad about all the people who get taken advantage of by so called professionals. It sucks and is a horrible feeling!!

 

[hobby-gunsmith]

is my timing correct

Take the gun to a qualified, competent, reliable and knowledgeable gunsmith.
Nick

 

[Jalopiejoe]

Take the gun to a qualified, competent, reliable and knowledgeable gunsmith.
Nick

The Gunsmith I took it to has a good reputation and has been in business for over 40 years!
So I'm really disappointed!

 

[BillBro]

I love buying good quality tools and jigs........ so I can do like chief38 and do it myself. No, the tools and jigs dont make it happen but like chief38 I too am very mechanically inclined and love working on my own firearms. Ive only ever taken 1 gun to a gunsmith, for the very thing you have now, and Im worried! He has it right now, but he gave me a wait time of 5 months, so maybe he takes his time and does good work.
Same reason I dont take any of my cars to a "mechanic", I can and do do it right.
Sorry to hear about your troubles.

 

[Hapworth]

Check carry up (what some call "timing" on a S&W) with empty cases in the charge holes; they hold the extractor star in alignment.

 

[Jalopiejoe]

When your trigger is pulled slowly in DA, your action should fully stage, with the cylinder solidly locking in place, before the hammer falls. Same in SA with the slow hammer cocking motion. Double verify before making the trip back to the 'smith.

When I check the timing of SA as you say not all the chambers lockup!
You only have to advance the cylinder just a hair.....then you hear the click as the stop drops into its' cylinder slot!
He obviously wanted to remove the possibility to stage or stack the trigger in DA mode!