Is the 2.0 FS trigger better than 1.0?

[jejb]

I've been watching a lot of Youtube vids on the 2.0 FS 9's, and pretty much all of them say the trigger is really not much different than the 1.0 version, although the reset seems more noticeable/improved. But most say the trigger pull is pretty much the same, and many are still putting Apex parts in.

So looking for feedback from y'all on it. Are a lot of 1.0 owners that had Apex parts doing the same work on the 2.0's? Or do many think it's just not needed with the 2.0 trigger?

If lots of folks are still upgrading the trigger or not seeing the 2.0 trigger as much different, it kind of makes me wonder if the 2.0 is that big an upgrade. For $20, I can match the grip upgrade with a Talon kit (have those on 2 of our Shields). And the front slide work is nice looking, but I can't see it being useful as I never work my slides that way. I guess the beefed up lower could be argued an enhancement. Don't know if the 1.0 was flexy enough to cause issues, though.

Just looking at buying my first FS S&W, 5", so wrestling with a lot of stuff. There are some smoking deals on the 1.0's right now. If I have to upgrade the trigger on both, it makes the 1.0 look pretty good. Also looking at the Pro CORE.

 

[S&W Fan]

I've owned multiple M&Ps-all gen 1. All received Apex upgrades. Just got a 2.0 Compact and the trigger/action on this is far superior to the 1.0 models I had prior to the install of the Apex kits.

 

[Nicefish]

It's my understanding that the major difference in the trigger is between the earlier 1.0's and not necessarily the "newer" 1.0's. I've not shot an M&P from a decade or so ago, but I've shot my dad's and uncle's that are about 5-8 years old, and have a new 2.0 compact. For my part I can't tell a significant difference between them. Maybe once the 2.0 gets "broken in"? In my opinion the Apex might be nice, but not necessary too have a good trigger in the modern M&P.

 

[KELSW]

The trigger "system" is different on the 2.0 . Has a sear actuator vs trigger loop . On the 1.0 like the Shield there is a "candy cane" loop that pushes the sear back flat to release striker . On the 2.0 the trigger bar pushes the actuator which then pushes the sear . It makes the system easier to work on .

 

[Philadelphia Patriot]

Between the 1.0 I had several years ago and the 2.0 I have now, to me, yes the 2.0 is far superior.

 

[jejb]

I've owned multiple M&Ps-all gen 1. All received Apex upgrades. Just got a 2.0 Compact and the trigger/action on this is far superior to the 1.0 models I had prior to the install of the Apex kits.

Thanks. So will you put an Apex kit in your 2.0?

 

[jejb]

It's my understanding that the major difference in the trigger is between the earlier 1.0's and not necessarily the "newer" 1.0's. I've not shot an M&P from a decade or so ago, but I've shot my dad's and uncle's that are about 5-8 years old, and have a new 2.0 compact. For my part I can't tell a significant difference between them. Maybe once the 2.0 gets "broken in"? In my opinion the Apex might be nice, but not necessary too have a good trigger in the modern M&P.

Interesting. Thanks for the input.

 

[Skeezix9]

I have had a few original M&P's and I think the M 2.0 trigger is far smoother than the triggers that I experienced before now. I'm not planning on wasting the money on an Apex trigger. MTCW

 

[presspics]

I don't know what videos you're watching but the triggers are very different. That being said, I have done trigger jobs on all of my 1.0's and they feel very close to my 2.0's. I don't use any Apex parts.

 

[Ray1970]

I owned two M&P's previously before getting my 2.0. I'm not really a trigger snob. All I require is a crisp, predictable break with minimal overtravel and a positive and noticeable trigger reset. Neither of my previous M&P's had any of this. Like presspics above, a little polishing and minor adjustments to the factory parts made mine perfectly acceptable other than I still found the reset mushy and sluggish. My 2.0 was pretty excellent straight out of the box and had a smooth take up, a crisp, predicable break, very little overtravel, and a positive reset. I feel the 2.0 is good to go out of the box without upgrading anything. In fact, I haven't done anything to it and I've been running it bone stock in IDPA and am very pleased with its performance. It could just be me but my 2.0 seems noticeably more accurate than my previous M&P's as well if that matters to you.

 

[presspics]

I owned two M&P's previously before getting my 2.0. I'm not really a trigger snob. All I require is a crisp, predictable break with minimal overtravel and a positive and noticeable trigger reset. Neither of my previous M&P's had any of this. Like presspics above, a little polishing and minor adjustments to the factory parts made mine perfectly acceptable other than I still found the reset mushy and sluggish. My 2.0 was pretty excellent straight out of the box and had a smooth take up, a crisp, predicable break, very little overtravel, and a positive reset. I feel the 2.0 is good to go out of the box without upgrading anything. In fact, I haven't done anything to it and I've been running it bone stock in IDPA and am very pleased with its performance. It could just be me but my 2.0 seems noticeably more accurate than my previous M&P's as well if that matters to you.

The reset is easily fixed by bending the trigger bar inwards slightly.

 

[S&W Fan]

Thanks. So will you put an Apex kit in your 2.0?

Not for awhile at least. Need to run some more rounds through before I make a final decision. Right now it's my carry and I like the action/trigger just fine for such use.

 

[Arik]

From owning a 1.0 years ago and trying the 2.0 at the store I'd say yes it is better

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[jejb]

I don't know what videos you're watching but the triggers are very different. That being said, I have done trigger jobs on all of my 1.0's and they feel very close to my 2.0's. I don't use any Apex parts.

I was just clicking on random 2.0 Youtube vids. I was very surprised to hear how many of them rated the trigger as still being the same or minimally improved over the 1.0 models. I thought that was the big selling point to the 2.0 line. And I see threads on the forums where folks have been putting Apex kits in the 2.0's too.

I appreciate the feedback.

 

[exxonv]

I've been watching a lot of Youtube vids on the 2.0 FS 9's, and pretty much all of them say the trigger is really not much different than the 1.0 version, although the reset seems more noticeable/improved. But most say the trigger pull is pretty much the same, and many are still putting Apex parts in.

So looking for feedback from y'all on it. Are a lot of 1.0 owners that had Apex parts doing the same work on the 2.0's? Or do many think it's just not needed with the 2.0 trigger?

If lots of folks are still upgrading the trigger or not seeing the 2.0 trigger as much different, it kind of makes me wonder if the 2.0 is that big an upgrade. For $20, I can match the grip upgrade with a Talon kit (have those on 2 of our Shields). And the front slide work is nice looking, but I can't see it being useful as I never work my slides that way. I guess the beefed up lower could be argued an enhancement. Don't know if the 1.0 was flexy enough to cause issues, though.

Just looking at buying my first FS S&W, 5", so wrestling with a lot of stuff. There are some smoking deals on the 1.0's right now. If I have to upgrade the trigger on both, it makes the 1.0 look pretty good. Also looking at the Pro CORE.

To me, way better... I left mine stock in the M2.0 5" and in my new M2.0 Compact.

My reviews: Smith & Wesson M&P9 2.0 5" FDE Review - YouTube

Smith & Wesson M&P9 M2.0 Compact - Range Time - YouTube

My 5" Pro 1.0 version has the full APEX Kit, my 4.25 1.0 version has the APEX springs (stock trigger). The 1.0's needed them (to me), the M2.0's don't (again, to me).

Triggers are very subjective, you've got to try them to know for yourself how you like them, but to me, the M2.0 is a great upgrade.

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[StephenWhoDat]

Before I give you my opinion, let me just state this:
I own multiple M&P 1.0s, and unlike most people, I actually like the triggers on them. More so on the compact version than on my full sized. Never felt a need to change it or install an Apex or anything like that.
That being said, I now own the M2.0 40 cal FS and the M2.0 9mm compact. I personally feel like the triggers on the M2.0s are way better than the older M&P models. Take my opinion for what you will, since I already admitted to liking the triggers on the 1st gen M&ps.

 

[ancient-one]

When I got my 9mm Shield I was not feeling good so I gave it to my grandson to give it some range time. He kept telling me it had a good trigger but I did not believe him until I got it back last night. I had read so many negative posts complaining about the trigger that I was surprised to find what I consider to be a very decent trigger. He shot it several hundred rounds and had no failure to fire or eject and no stuck slide. Maybe I just got lucky.

 

[Cheapskait]

Anycient Mariner - Sorry you're under the weather.

I don't think you got lucky, you just got a standard, works every time Shield. You see more problem threads on here because most of us don't start "Gun Working Perfectly" threads because that would get tiresome.

 

[rd97]

I have both. The 2.0 is better.

 

[jejb]

Rented a 4.25" 2.0 M&P 9mm at an indoor range yesterday. Trigger is for sure much different/better than my 1.0 guns. This one had a bit of stiffness before it actually "hit the wall", but if you only let it out to the reset point (which was VERY noticeable), it was a sweet trigger.

Not sure it's any more accurate, though. I shot my 1.0 40C side-by-side with it (Apex DCAEK trigger) at the same range, and probably had my tightest group with the 40C.

 

[topwaterbass]

My personal opinion is that the 2.0 has a better trigger.

 

[jejb]

I bought the 2.0 I was looking at. FDE, 5", 9mm. Got $195 off the sale price of $500, so just too good a deal to say no to. Hard to find a brand new one for $305!

Took it out the range after cleaning and oiling it. I'm shooting one handed right now (strong hand) since I had rotator cuff surgery recently. Very happy with the results. At 5 yards, I tore the bullseye out of 3 targets with 10 shot groups. At 10 yards, it was more spread out, but not too bad for one armed shooting, IMO. All would have been standard steel plate hits. Very much looking forward to shooting with both hands to test its longer range accuracy.

Trigger on this one does not have the little stiffness the rental did, and no gritty feeling at all. Trigger pull is at 4 pounds 13 ounces in repeated tests with my digital gauge. Surprised me it's that light from the factory. I'd say my Apex trigger in my 1.0 40C is as smooth, but the reset is much better on the 2.0.

I also ordered a Sig P320 full sized 9. It will be fun to contrast them.

Thanks for everyone's input.

 

[Jayhawkhuntclub]

It's not any better in my experience. It's fine. But it's no better. The pull is the typical creepy striker fired trigger. But it's not a target gun. I don't expect it to have a great trigger and I don't care.

 

[Ranger17]

I have a stock 1.0 FS with close to 2k rounds in it, and when just handling/dry fire a new 2.0 FS there wasn't much of a difference to me. I did think my PC Shield felt much better than the 2.0 FS (i know not apples to apples but it's what i have) and as i'm not one to modify a gun (I am happy with how they are as-is) i didn't pursue the 2.0 at this time.

I have heard the 2.0 Compact has a different trigger feel than the 2.0 FS, but until i handle and shoot one myself i cant confirm or deny on that one for what its worth.