Is the 2.0.... really all that much better?

[Rastoff]

I'm surprised so many people think the 2.0 grip is too rough.

For 99% of the shooters in the US, the grip is fine. When you only shoot your gun a few times a year and then only 50 rounds or less, it's perfect. However, if you're going to use it a few times a week and 100-300 rounds per use, the grip can be a little too rough.

For self-defense use it's great. Excellent grip in wet weather or with wet or sweaty hands. Very positive grip even if the shooter's grip is a little loose.

Because I would generally use it a lot, I'd take some 400 grit sand paper to it. That would smooth it out enough.

My new $350 Rock Island 1911 .45 has a great 4lb pull right out of the box.

Yes, my RIA 1911 is much nicer as well. However, you simply can't compare the two triggers. Completely different mechanism. No matter what you do to modify the M&P, it will never be as good as the 1911.

 

[BlueArch91]

I am a big fan of the grip texture and I thought the trigger felt much better than the 1.0 dry firing. I am looking forward to shooting it some day, as that is the most important measure of any gun.


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[Americanpatriot]

Indeed, it may be just this. There were several reports of the dust cover not being straight or moving. To my knowledge, this never impaired function, but I can see how it might help with a mounted light.

For the record, I never had an issue with the light mounted on my M&P 45.

While the laws of physics tell us that any increase in mass will result in a reduction of felt recoil, this addition is so small that no one would notice.

Accuracy? Please tell me how stiffening the dust cover improved accuracy?

This is the real truth.

Don't get me wrong here, I think the larger sub frame is a good thing. It's just not an improvement that would make me dump my original M&P for a 2.0 version.

Things I like about the original:

• I like the beaver tail on the original.
• I like the auto forward (not really a feature, but more of a quirk of the design).
• I like the original texture better. The 2.0 is too rough for extended use.
• I have no issue with the trigger, but do like the Apex better.

For me it's a wash. I do think that the 2.0 is ultimately better. It's a more mature design. The fact that there is so little different tells us that the original was pretty well thought out. Would I trade in my original for a 2.0? No. Would I buy a 2.0? Absolutely!

Ok sure be happy too. Less twisting and flexing of the frame. No one here has suggested dumping your 1.0 for a 2.0

 

[DBasye1]

The hinged trigger is a drop safety. What would you have put in its place if you removed the hinged part?

I would put the polymer trigger "type" that is on the APEX trigger

IMHO the takeup is too much with the hinged trigger

I always thought that the striker block was the "drop" safety on the M&Ps

All in all its STILL a much better trigger then the original crunch fest

 

[Rastoff]

I would put the polymer trigger "type" that is on the APEX trigger

So, a Glock style that still has the blade in the middle?

IMHO the takeup is too much with the hinged trigger

The take-up or slack is not related to the hinged portion of the trigger. It is related to the distance the trigger bar has to move before the sear hook (candy cane) contacts the sear.

I always thought that the striker block was the "drop" safety on the M&Ps

The striker block is also part of the drop safety. However, the hinged part (trigger safety) has only one function; prevent the trigger from moving rearward should the gun be dropped on the rear of the slide.

If the gun is dropped on the muzzle, the striker block prevents the momentum of the striker from going forward and striking the primer. However, if the gun is dropped on the back of the slide, the momentum of the trigger and trigger bar could move rearward enough to release the sear. This is the same as if the trigger were pressed by a finger.

If you think about it, it's easy to see that this is the only function of the hinged trigger that has any value. If anything got inside the trigger guard it would press the hinged part along with the rest of the trigger and fire the gun. Here's a video of a gun without the trigger safety:

 

[Com 45acp]

Bought a M&P 2.0 9mm 4.25" and selling my gen 4 glock 17. If it shoots anywhere near as good as my pc 9 shield I will be pleased.

 

[A2 Stippling]

The more I read...the more I want one of these guns. Sure, do I need it...wait, it's another gun so the answer is YES. Appreciate the thread and the information. Doesn't even look like I will need to stipple the grip...but I can try!!!

 

[1sailor]

I am always amazed at the complaints over the grip texture. There must be a lot of guys out there who spent their lives working at a desk. Not putting anyone down because of their job so don't get the wrong idea. I just really find the new grip texture to be a non issue. I don't understand how I can go out and fire 300 rounds in a sitting with my new Shield .45 and never notice it and then to have someone mention that if they put a whole box of 9mm's through their new Full Size M&P it starts removing their hide. The new 2.0's I've looked at (actually only a couple of the 5" FDE's) did not seem nearly as aggressive as my Shield. If you're a hand model then maybe it's not for you but otherwise it's a non issue. Really, no issue at all.

 

[68Dave]

My 9mm 2.0 is more accurate than my buddies stock 1.0 9mm.
It is more accurate that my 45c with talon grips and apex sear.
Thinking about getting a 5" FDE model.
David.

 

[Mark IV]

I don't know for sure what the extended frame does but I am pretty sure metal is more expensive than plastic. So for S&W to do it, they must have a good reason.

The value of the increased amount of metal in the new sub-frame might total all of .10 cents. I would agree that they probably had some good reason for doing it (stiffening the dust cover being most likely), but citing the insignificant cost of the extra material as proof of that, doesn't hold water.

 

[Mark IV]

I am always amazed at the complaints over the grip texture....

Same here. I had a M&P9L for a little while, and I stippled the large backstrap piece, which made it VERY abrasive, more abrasive than any pistol surface I'd ever handled, and I still never had an issue with it.
And besides, if you're doing such a volume of shooting that the grip surface is dogging you out, there's a very simple, economical, and commonly used solution: Shooting gloves.

 

[Ray1970]

I am always amazed at the complaints over the grip texture. There must be a lot of guys out there who spent their lives working at a desk. Not putting anyone down because of their job so don't get the wrong idea. I just really find the new grip texture to be a non issue. I don't understand how I can go out and fire 300 rounds in a sitting with my new Shield .45 and never notice it and then to have someone mention that if they put a whole box of 9mm's through their new Full Size M&P it starts removing their hide. The new 2.0's I've looked at (actually only a couple of the 5" FDE's) did not seem nearly as aggressive as my Shield. If you're a hand model then maybe it's not for you but otherwise it's a non issue. Really, no issue at all.

I want to click the "like" button on this post but I fear I may be attacked by a group of guys with soft hands.

 

[Americanpatriot]

I want to click the "like" button on this post but I fear I may be attacked by a group of guys with soft hands.

But look at my skin abrasions on my delicate hands

 

[Rastoff]

I am always amazed at the complaints over the grip texture.

I want to click the "like" button on this post but I fear I may be attacked by a group of guys with soft hands.

See post #21.

 

[DBasye1]

I picked up and held a 2.0 at a Gun show today, and I fall in the category of not liking the feel of it. I am no stranger to hard work as I spend time working with Habitat for Humanity...... My hands aren't THAT soft

And if you give me any C-R-A-P, I will hit you with my purse...........

 

[mley1]

I like the new texture on the M and P's. My Shield 45 is very enjoyable to shoot. I didn't really notice any issue,...........until I carried it a while IWB. Then the abrasive nature of the grip decided to irritate my much more tender belly skin near my waist. For me to carry my Shield 45 IWB I had to tone down the texture of the grip a bit. So, that's what I did. I just knocked off the tips of the rough texture a bit so that it wouldn't be so rough on my tender belly skin. I enjoy carrying it much more now that it's not quite so rough. I suspect I'll do the same when I get a 2.0.

 

[Rastoff]

I agree mley1. I think S&W just went a little overboard with the aggressiveness of the texture. A little time with some 320grit sand paper and all would be well. I wouldn't let the texture stop me from buying a 2.0.

 

[A2 Stippling]

I agree that the initial 2.0 grip on the skin - for any duration of time - may be a bit rough. I stipple my grips and it provides less grip but a great hybrid - 1.0 + 2.0 plus my design makes me happy. Send me a note if you need something stippled.

 

[Well Armed]

Not trying to be insulting at all and no offense to anyone, but these complaints are what I traditionally heard from female shooters.

I like the grip texture. I don't find it to rough at all. Then again, I'm a life long blue collar worker. Seems like the modern male gun owners, compared to the men of the past who carried firearms of the past, can't shoot or won't own a gun unless it has a competition/target trigger, are complaining about the weight of sub 2lb polymer pistols, and they're complaining about texturing of grips... Men in the past carried much heavier guns with much worse triggers. I'm willing to wager that many of them would out shoot the men of today in long range sessions with out any complaints.

 

[Well Armed]

OP, I was never really interested in the 1.0s as we're many others. I'm seeing a lot of hard core Glock fanboys talking about switching, so S&W must have done something right with the 2.0..

Although there are other upgrades, I think the biggest selling points over the 1.0 are the new sizes that are offered, the grip texture, the better trigger, and the new styling. It hasn't really been mentioned, but what I see has people most excited are the new G19 and commaner sized offerings.