Is There Anyone Here Into Over and Under Shotguns for Sporting Clays?

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I hunt pheasants with a Ruger Red Label and started shooting sporting clays with it, but it isn't just right for that sport. Two years ago I bought a Citori Crossover Target. I did not get to shoot last year due to the illness of a relative. I am going to work with a coach this year as I hope to improve my scores with the Browning. I am already signed up for a coaching session at the Biltmore prior to the SWCA meeting in Charlotte.

 

[Mack_C85]

I bought a 30" Browning Special Sporting Clays in 1990. 27 years later it is still my go to for anything clays.....Sporting, Five Stand, Skeet, Trap, Wobble Trap....

My dad has a 28".....I've shot both and prefer the 30s. I have a 26" Franchi O/U that is just way too 'whippy", longer barrels just swing smoother.....up to a point.
BTW- Browning vs. Berretta...it's all a matter of fit. Shoot both, you'll love one and hate the other. You can't go wrong with either.

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[SC_Mike]

I hunt pheasants with a Ruger Red Label and started shooting sporting clays with it, but it isn't just right for that sport. Two years ago I bought a Citori Crossover Target. I did not get to shoot last year due to the illness of a relative. I am going to work with a coach this year as I hope to improve my scores with the Browning. I am already signed up for a coaching session at the Biltmore prior to the SWCA meeting in Charlotte.

I've shot at Biltmore several times. They have a beautiful facility there and I've improved by working with them. A few times we've had to let the wild turkeys clear the field or just shoot over their backs. They seem to pay us no mind.

 

[dmar]

I shoot a Citori 625 with 30" tubes for sporting clays, and a Beretta with 32" barrel for trap. Both great guns! BTW, for me, I don't like the 32" barrel for sporting clays, much prefer the 30"... YMMV

 

[cstep]

Another option to the browning or beretta shotguns is the Winchester 101, which is actually made by FN in Belgium. I have the 101 field in 12 gauge with 28" barrels, I got it on black Friday special for a pretty crazy price like $999 almost 10 years ago now I think. They also make a sporting model with 30 or 32" ported barrels, fiber optic front sight and I believe a higher grade of wood. In pretty sure the sporting can be had under $2k. I have owned and shot a number of brownings and I have to say these Winchester are every bit their equal, but can be had for less money.

 

[H Richard]

glenncal1, I bought that exact gun (new) for $1485 in 2003, and it has served as a trap, skeet, and sporting clays gun. I did quit it for trap and bought a BT99+, but it still serves as Skeet and sporting Clays. I don't know how many 1,000 rounds I have put through it, but is is still as tight as a new gun. When Browning says "They shoot IN, not Out", they mean it. I wouldn't sell it today for what I paid for it. I did get the 28" barrel at the time, if I could do it over I'd go for the 30".

I bought a new MEC9000 loader about the same time and I haven't worn it out either. Best retirement presents I bought for myself.

 

[Bill Bates]

Browning or Beretta is a bit like Colt vs Smith & Wesson. Either will do the job and both should last a life time.

Okay, I'm a Beretta guy. A large part of that is I've never found a Browning that really fit me. Browning and Beretta both run about the same when it comes to length of pull. Where they vary is in approaches to drop at comb and heel; comb width and cast off. I'm not a fan of adjustable combs. I prefer a gun that fits from the get go.

There are some minor mechanical differences that make me also prefer Beretta. One of those is how the look up. Browning use plates bellow the barrels that slide into a bite. Beretta use tapered pins that go into bites that sit between the barrels. Beretta's lockup system allows the action to be a little bit shorter top to bottom. The taper on the pins allows them to remain tight as they wear.(this type of locking system is also used on the new FN built Winchester 101s)

To me the Berettas tend to feel a little better between the hands. They feel a little more lively, nimble and lighter than their actual weight. The 12 gauge Brownings tend to feel clunky and like a two by four tipped on its side in my hands.

Again we are talking subtle personal fit and handling issues and your milage may vary.

So again Browning vs Beretta is a personal thing. Pick the shotgun that fits and handles well for you. With shotguns fit is everything. Either will last a lifetime with good care and both will do the job.

I don't always shoot over under but when I do I prefer Beretta Shotguns.

Been shooting this one since the mid 1970s

 

[Big Cholla]

'Bill Bate's' post struck a chord with me. I bought my first Browning O/U when I was 20 y.o. .. I was 190 lbs. and all but 6 ft. tall. The O/U was a Lightning with 28" barrels and in 12 ga. It fit me like a custom fit. I could shoot the heck out of it on field birds, trap and even live pigeons. Two world famous trap and live pigeon shooters were customers of the LGS that I worked part time while in college. They were Dan Orlich and Jody Devers. They gave me informal training out on the very first trap range to be called "Harold's Club Trap and Sheet Range." I shot that O/U for 20 years and finally realized that I wasn't shooting it as well as I had once. I had picked up 30 lbs. and had lost some mobility in my neck due to a HS football injury. I thought about having that great shotgun re-fitted to my present physical limitations and shape. I didn't. I just couldn't alter that faithful old gun. I bought a new Browning O/U in 12 ga. Lightning bored Skeet and Skeet. I never shot it until it had been fitted to me. This is a long winded way of confirming what 'Bill Bates' is telling us in the above post. The shotgun, no matter what brand or cost, has to fit one's existing physical requirements and limitations. Most everyone can make an ill fitting shotgun work pretty well on going away or on coming shots. But, when the target is coming or going at a divergent angle, the fit must be close to perfect for us at that time. Of course the mental aspect of shooting well comes into play if one knows that their shotgun does not fit well and some shot requirements are going to be suspect confidence suffers and therefore results. Thirty years later after selling that first Browning, I was back down to 190 lbs. and still in fairly good shape. I had the Epiphany that if I had only put that O/U in the safe and kept it, I could now pick it up and do quite well. Oh well, lesson learned. ......

 

[tops]

Dang that's a long barrel, you sure Larry? I'm thinking quickness and time on target. Am I mistaken?

It may not work for you but for several years I shot 25,000 to 30,000 shells a year and that is how I decided that for me 28 in. barrels are best for hunting and skeet and 32 in. for sporting clays. I also shoot Berettas. Larry

 

[H Richard]

I agree on the Fit, as you don't have a rear sight on a shotgun, your eye is the rear sight, and you don't aim a shotgun, you point it. For me the Browning fit me, and I didn't buy it until I was 62, so it still fits pretty well. I also have a SKB 20 ga. field gun that is very light and handles like a dream in the field. I do shoot it some on skeet and do O.K. I lined it up with my Browning and it is a near clone, just slimmer and lighter. I formerly had a CZ 20 and I really liked the gun, but it had too much cast of and I just couldn't reliably shoot it so it went to a sale.

 

[LB001]

For true Sporting Clays, the longer barrels come into their own. If you are going to be a true competitor, go for the 32" barrels. .............

While long barrels are popular for sporting clays, I don't see how you can recommend 32 inches without knowing anything about the size, strength, or anything else about the shooter.

 

[Big Cholla]

Years of Observation

While long barrels are popular for sporting clays, I don't see how you can recommend 32 inches without knowing anything about the size, strength, or anything else about the shooter.

I taught all sizes of people to shoot and shoot well the Colt M 1911. I watched 5'2"/5'3" women and a couple of men stand alongside big people and out shoot them after mastering the basics. I was an assistant coach at the Remington Shotgun Club in Atlanta for two years. I helped with the indoctrination class instruction for mainly Skeet, but on occasion for Trap. It was my observation that small people who learn the correct foot position along with the correct body and head presentation did as well as any other sized person who was in the class. Normal upper body strength was all that was required to swing those heavier than today's shotguns. Endurance did come into play in the longer tournaments. I found that if a smaller person wanted to do well, they chose the shotgun/handgun that was going to do well for them and that shotgun/handgun was almost always whatever the 'big guys' were shooting. Of course there was always the delicate 'flower' that was out there on the firing line because her significant other wanted her there. They were usually shooting the lightest smallest shotgun or handgun possible. Their results didn't really mean much because they weren't there to compete. ..........

 

[stykshooter]

I dabbed my toe in sporting clays back in the mid '90's and in short order found myself hooked. Was shooting tournaments two weekend a month and hitting courses for a round or two a couple of times in between. I went through several shotguns. Started with a Remington 11-87 and soon had to have an over under. I bought a sporting clays version of the Citori. I didn't shoot as well as I thought I should so started on that journey through shotguns. A Remington Peerless, three Citoris and a Beretta. One day I took out a Red Label loaner gun from the range pro house and shot my best round to date. I bought a Red Label field gun and my scores went up so I bought a Red Label sporting clays special in both 12 and 20 gauge and eventually added a 28 gauge. I know they aren't for everyone but for me, the Red Labels just fit and I shoot them better than anything else. My 12 gauge Sporting Clays Special has had an awful lot of rounds through it too. I was probably averaging about 500 rounds a month for 8-10 years. I've slowed down a lot now but if I were to go to the range tomorrow, I'd reach for my Red Label. The Brownings and Berettas are definitely prettier, but I just shoot my plain Jane Red Labels a lot better.

 

[richcory]

I have a burning desire for a 725 Sporting with probably the 30" barrels. Just really like the feel of them.

Cory

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

I do not go often now, but hope to if I can after retirement. I hope that practice makes perfect.

 

[OLDSTER]

Browning or Beretta is a bit like Colt vs Smith & Wesson. Either will do the job and both should last a life time.

Okay, I'm a Beretta guy. A large part of that is I've never found a Browning that really fit me. Browning and Beretta both run about the same when it comes to length of pull. Where they vary is in approaches to drop at comb and heel; comb width and cast off. I'm not a fan of adjustable combs. I prefer a gun that fits from the get go.

There are some minor mechanical differences that make me also prefer Beretta. One of those is how the look up. Browning use plates bellow the barrels that slide into a bite. Beretta use tapered pins that go into bites that sit between the barrels. Beretta's lockup system allows the action to be a little bit shorter top to bottom. The taper on the pins allows them to remain tight as they wear.(this type of locking system is also used on the new FN built Winchester 101s)

To me the Berettas tend to feel a little better between the hands. They feel a little more lively, nimble and lighter than their actual weight. The 12 gauge Brownings tend to feel clunky and like a two by four tipped on its side in my hands.

Again we are talking subtle personal fit and handling issues and your milage may vary.

So again Browning vs Beretta is a personal thing. Pick the shotgun that fits and handles well for you. With shotguns fit is everything. Either will last a lifetime with good care and both will do the job.

I don't always shoot over under but when I do I prefer Beretta Shotguns.

Been shooting this one since the mid 1970s

Really nice. Is that a BL-4 ? Love the old Berettas

 

[Bill Bates]

Really nice. Is that a BL-4 ? Love the old Berettas

It is a BL-3. It is an extractor gun. The BL-4 has ejectors but beyond that they are the same gun. I passed it down to my son a few years ago. I hope some day he will pass it down to one of his sons.

 

[targetchief]

The Browning Crossover target is a lot of bang for the buck. I prefer a 30in barrel.

 

[Gamecock]

Browning or Beretta. Which ever feels better to you.

The Browning does have some technical advantages: mechanical trigger reset, back bored.

I have a Grade V 725. It's super.

 

[Gulfecho]

Thanks for all of your input. Upon hearing your opinions, which were great by the way, I think I've settled on a Citori Sporting 12 gauge with 30"pipes. I tried one at a local gun shop. It seemed to fit and move well. Again, thank you for each of your insights.