Is this a real S&W 1911?

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The 45 auto's that I have owned and shot, and liked are: Colt, Remington, Ruger, Kimber, AMT and the Misc. Philippine mfrs.
I had a few failures only with the Philippine one, but a local gunsmith here in GBC fixed it.
So, go buy it and let us know how it worked out for you.
 
The 1911 is military scrap iron! The worst hand gun ever designed or made with staked on parts, 2 piece feed ramps, tongue and groove barrel lock up hinged with a 1/8 link pin and a main spring in the butt handle that is a rust magnet. The failure rate from Colt was so high that our military cancelled their contract and gave to a typewriter company by the name of Remington Rand. They supplied the largest amount of 1911a1 junk to our forces who hated them. That's why Gen Patten refused to carry one. He carried two nickel plated revolvers, One Colt and One S&W in .38 caliber. He called them real"Fighting-man Guns"!!!! He called the 1911 a piece of ****! You get the idea.

Glock is the most intelligent designed pistol ever thought up and that's why over 60% of our police forces issue them and S&W and Sig. copied them. Thank GOD our military junked them and gave our fighting forces a real gun to use. England just replaced all the military Browning 9 mm high powers with Glock 17 and ordinance maintenance dropped 81%. Besides Browning died before the Hi-POWER went into production.

Glock has only 37 parts and rarely fail. 1911's have over 60 parts of which 37 constantly fail. They also need an oil change every 300 rounds to keep running. I would not take a 1911 if you gave it to me. In fact, they did give me one in Vietnam and I threw it away and picked up a Chinese Tok TA33 and carried that. Now that little baby could crack and engine block on a Willies Jeep and the .45 flying ash tray bounced off the tires.

So all you 1911 junk lovers can flame me all you want to but go see what is in police holsters and military holsters all over the world. It won't be 1911 junk!

End of rant! Man that felt good!
 
I dunno. I'm not big on the 1911 platform for combat or self defense. Nor am I big on the .45 acp. And there are a lot of guns more enjoyable to collect and target shoot with.
But,......They are good looking. And all 60 something parts working together sparks that same feeling in me as a swiss army knife ....so a nice colt is on my short list of next purchases.
 
Where are the semi custom or full custom Glocks, selling in the several thousand dollar range?
 
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I have a Colt National Match Gold Cup and a Nighthawk and would NOT trade either for 20 Glocks --- Glocks have no safety are simple yet effective design but neither are a work of art nor would I want one to conceal carry. If you think the Glock is a perfect handgun then I don't know what to tell you.

The only reason it is the choice of so many departments has to do with price not cause it is the ultimate plastic firearm. As far as plastic firearms, I would take an HK or XDM over a Glock any day of the week.
 
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Glock is the most intelligent designed pistol ever thought up and that's why over 60% of our police forces issue them

Nah. That was a fiscal issue. If you've ever been involved in the department budget, you'd know why . . .

Glock has only 37 parts and rarely fail.

I eagerly await a picture of your facial expression when you experience your first Glock failure. I've seen hundreds, but then again, I've seen hundreds of thousands of rounds down range from Glock pistols . . .

So all you 1911 junk lovers can flame me all you want to but go see what is in police holsters and military holsters all over the world. It won't be 1911 junk!

Nothing more than economics. If we all were carrying the most reliable pistol made, we'd be carrying H&K P7M8's, or Sig Sauer 1911 TacOps. Since no municipality could afford that, they're all carrying Glocks. . . .

End of rant! Man that felt good!

Same here . . .
 
Glocks do more hand damage then any other brand of handgun on the market to-day. Myself I would rather run over one with my old Hotrod then be given it for free. I do own a 1911A1. Sports model Norinco two tone 45apc. It has been extremly reliable for me with thousands of rounds thru it faithfully. Police depts here in Canada are buying the Glocks only because of the price and the kickbacks their purchasing people get. To me they are junk. Watch one being fired in a rest and all the side flap vibration that goes into your hands. I have owned many handguns in the last 55 years but will never have a Glock in my collection. UGH, YUCK.
 
I'm with the above on look like a S&W 1911. Get good magazines as that's been my only weak point of my Sc.
 
Just my opinion though, that one is used and looks it. It is a buyers market on new and used guns right now, especially new.
I just priced checked on the web for stainless full size 1911's with equivalent features as the one pictured (not stripped down or GI type models).
Rock Island - $550 to $600
Ruger, Remington, Kimber, Smith and Wesson, Springfield Armory can be found $700 to $800 price range.
Colt, step up Springfield and Kimber, Sig Sauer $800 to $900 or so.

*sigh* Well....

I wouldn't put the Rock Island anywhere near the other brands. It's Armscor. They're better than they have been, but it's not worth saving a couple hundred.

You can grab a good Springfield RO for under $700 if your gun shop gives you a deal. Ironically, this is about how much a Ruger costs, so I have no idea why one would buy a Ruger.

So with those two data points in mind, is a S&W 1911 worth $500 used? Yes. I'm inclined to think so. 1911s tend to hold value pretty well, and it's tough to buy under $500. At that price point, buyers would also be looking at a used Glock, H&K VP, or one of the low-end plastic Sigs.

$500 isn't the deal of the century, but it's pretty good if you need a 1911 but don't need it to do anything super-special.
 
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NO that is not a real 1911 piece of military junk! Just look at the external extractor used by S&W.

For someone who hates 1911s you made the fanboy comment about the internal vs external extractor pretty quick.

The 1911 is military scrap iron! The failure rate from Colt was so high that our military cancelled their contract and gave to a typewriter company by the name of Remington Rand.

The reason that other companies got contracts to build them was that Colt couldn't keep up with military demand.

....45 flying ash tray bounced off the tires.

Seriously ?

....but go see what is in police holsters and military holsters all over the world. It won't be 1911 junk!

And yet strangely,elite forces groups that are allowed to choose their own weapons keep going back to it again and again. Wonder why that is ?

They also need an oil change every 300 rounds to keep running.

If this was the case then the gun wouldn't have surpassed it's competitors to be adopted by the US military.
 
When Colt started to have serious 1911 quality control issues and damned near went bankrupt the government went seeking another manufacturer. The tried the Singer Sewing Machine company in NJ, Union Switch and Signal and other and finally settled on Remington Rand Corp.

M1911 pistol - Wikipedia


Colt started an advertising campaign about a Target Pistol know as the Gold Cup Series. It had a tip of barrel diameter increase of about .200 of and inch to improve lock up for that **** tongue and groove internal breech locking concept. It also contained many of the poorly designed features.

Oh by the way, John Moses Browning died before the Browning Hi-Power ever went into production! Even he thought 9 mm was a superior round, What about that?????
1911 pistols are expensive junk that have appealing aesthetics however, they are and will remain Military Junk! You just can't make chicken salad out of chicken excrement! I knew I would get flamed by the cult following they have! I bought a Singer at a garage sale for $20.00 still wrapped in cosmoline. Singer made 500 units they made didn't even have serial numbers and were given to their employees when the government rejected them. The gun is valued at $70,000 dollars today!

Someone once said "1911's are what you show your friends and Glock are what you show your enemies."
 
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You either like the gun or you don't. LOL I see there is no in between on this subject. usually I would find this in the Glock FB group and not the actual manufacturers. Actually they have a 1911 of topic section there in the forums.
 
When Colt started to have serious 1911 quality control issues and damned near went bankrupt the government went seeking another manufacturer. The tried the Singer Sewing Machine company in NJ, Union Switch and Signal and other and finally settled on Remington Rand Corp.

Did you read the article you linked? The multiple manufacturers of 1911 style pistols was caused by high demand during the big one, not quality control . . .

World War II and the years leading up to it created a great demand. During the war, about 1.9 million units were procured by the U.S. Government for all forces, production being undertaken by several manufacturers, including Remington Rand (900,000 produced), Colt (400,000), Ithaca Gun Company (400,000), Union Switch & Signal (50,000), and Singer (500). New M1911A1 pistols were given a parkerized metal finish instead of blueing, and the wood grip panels were replaced with panels made of brown plastic. The M1911A1 was a favored small arm of both US and allied military personnel during the war, in particular, the pistol was prized by some British commando units and Britain's highly covert Special Operations Executive, as well as South African Commonwealth forces.[16][17][18]

So many 1911A1 pistols were produced during the war that the government cancelled all postwar contracts for new production, instead choosing to rebuild existing pistols with new parts, which were then refinished and tested for functioning. From the mid-1920s to the mid-1950s thousands of 1911s and 1911A1s were refurbished at U.S. Arsenals and Service depots. These arsenal rebuilds consisted of anything from minor inspections to major overhauls of pistols returned from service use. Pistols that were refurbished at Government arsenals will usually be marked on the frame/receiver with the arsenal's initials, such as RIA (Rock Island Armory) or SA (Springfield Armory).

Among collectors today, the Singer-produced pistols in particular are highly prized, commanding high prices even in poor condition.[19]
 
Original poster, sorry this went all kindergarten with the Glock / 1911, Ginger /Mary Ann, 9mm / .45, etc etc etc ad nauseam bloviation.

Hopefully your question was answered, yes that appears to be a genuine S&W 1911.

Mary Ann.

Definitely Mary Ann.

Some don't realize when they're being played.
 
Glocks have no safety are simple yet effective design but neither are a work of art nor would I want one to conceal carry. If you think the Glock is a perfect handgun then I don't know what to tell you.

Glocks also have the unique distinction of having a body part named after them...Glock leg.
 
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