Is this everything a cop needs?

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I guess I am really a dinosaur. I still carry a flat sap(Jay Pee Med. Slugger), and both my departments allow them. I also carry a revolver, wear Ray-Ban aviators, carry a 29in. wooden stick, sap gloves, 5 cell maglight, wear my hat when I get out of the car(not a ballcap). All my duty gear is still leather too! One of my depts. makes me carry tupperware but I am slowly wearing the Chief down.
 
I gotta admire there Horseless Trooper.....we got away from the old ways, and not for the better I fear....be careful up there
 
So how do you arrest a "Ghandi" type, totally passive, non combative, not abusive, but non-compliant?
 
Gently pick them up and tote them to the back seat, with another deputy if necessary. Unless of course Ghandi is sitting on some RR tracks with the CSX headed for him, then its, "sorry, Mohatma, we gots to go!"
 
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No saps allowed up here....but as a plainclothes detective, my dept permits me to carry a wheelgun as backup to my baby tupperware issued gun....so I carry a 4 inch gp100.....carried a 2 inch model 10 for a while too. Might have to carry the pencil barrel 4 inch 10 I have on the way once I get used to it. Classy setup by the way.
 
Nice folding knife with lockblade and finger protection and a German Police Dog(always trustworthy). : )
 
I refused to carry a PR-24, I carried a nickstick and learned to twirll it. I never saw the use for tazers and bear spray, I managed for 20 years.

You got to have a coat that looks like a police coat, and speed loader pouches that hide your handloads, and a heavy revolver that will hold up, and a Hoyt to carry it in. Remember, REAL COPS CARRY REVOLVERS.

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I'm not a cop. I have never been a cop. I have never had any real desire to be a cop.

But years ago, I mean YEARS ago, I did work for Burns Security. Part of our uniform was a nightstick about two feet long. (A Colt Official Police revolver with MOP grips, in a Border Patrol Holster, and a Sam Brown belt was the other big part. Six rounds of RNL ammo issued. "Don't shoot anybody unless you have to" was the training I got. I put the RNL ammo in a drawer at home and got a box of 158 grn LSWC ammo to carry and a MTM AMMO wallet and a set of Bianchi Speed Strips that I still have today to carry on duty.)

Anyway. Someone mentioned the intimidation factor of the nightstick. I was driving down a street in Richmond one afternoon. I wasn't working but did have the NS in the back seat of my Mustang. A fellow cut me off, and slammed on brakes and got out of the car and started back to mine. This fellow was POed. I had no idea who he was, but I was young and really dumb, and since I was already stopped, I got out to see what he wanted. I grabbed the NS on the way out of the car. (Now of course, I'd just drive off and leave him in the middle of the street.)

About the time he got to the front bumper, I got out. I stood up, all six foot and 225lbs (I was a lot smaller then (lol) and smacked the palm of my left hand with the NS in my right. I think I said something clever like "Can I help you?" That fellow stopped. His eyes got really big. Then he turned and got back in his car, without a word, and hauled the mail getting out of there.

Now I'm not sure if the sight of the NS stopped him ,or if he maybe just realized I wasn't who he thought I was (I honestly have no idea who he was or what he wanted. To the best of my knowledge I had never seen him before and had done nothing to him to set him off.) but he didn't waste any time leaving.

OH BTW. My ex-wife worked at the Richmond City Jail. She had a "Black Jack" she called it, about like the one in that picture. Felt like a BIG lead fishing sinker, wrapped in leather. I'd have hated to catch that thing up side the head. :)
 
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Frontovik said:
I recently purchased one of the J&G Sales S&W Model 15's as it was the closest to my old duty weapon when I was on the streets in uniform (a personal purchase Model 19...still had to run .38 +P through it). The one I got from them did not even look like it had been issued. I put the heavy factory target grips on it and held it......after years of carrying this or that semi-auto, I damned near cried when I held it and remembered........ I sold the Model 19 many years ago...this one will never leave me. Bill G
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I get a regular flier from J&G in Prescott and saw the ads for the 15's. Did they indicate or did you inquire what agency they received them from? Just curious.

I have relatives in Prescott and travel to and through there 4/5 times a year. I also used to do business with them back when I had an FFL back in the 1980's. I enjoy dropping in the store when in the area.
 
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Even as a detective (I did that for 5 years) I would have never considered carrying a 2" revolver. I never understood why everyone wanted the short barrel. The barrel isn't the part that's hard to conceal, especially when worn IWB. It's the butt of a handgun that makes the big lump, and in the case of a revolver the cylinder which adds to the bulk.

Before I switched to semi autos after the end of probation, I started with a Model 60 as an off duty gun (carried a M28 in uniform). I very quickly learned I didn't like the short sight radius and difficulty in shooting the little 5-shot in my large hands. Found a used 4" RB M10 and carried it for the last few months before I qualified with a 1911 and bought a Commander (alloy frame) as my off duty weapon.

I know lots of folks like the "snubby" I've never seen the attraction or utility of a barrel shorter than 3". YMMV!

Dave
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Don't have too many J frames anymore, just a late 60's model 37, a 342, and a model 60. The 60 is the 3 inch with adjustable sights. A great field gun but it just doesn't cut it in the front pocket of my Levi's. Barrel is too long. That IS the "attraction and utility of a barrel shorter than 3 inches!"
 
About that Patrol car

OK, as long as we are going back in time. That is a nice looking wheelgun. I have never seen a set of Winny handcuffs. And as far as the car goes, In the early 70s you would have wanted a Plym. Fury with a 440 or a Ford custom 500 with either a 390 or a 429. Later in the 70s, probably have had to settle for a Chev. Impala w/350 or a Torino w/400. All but the Torino were good units, the Torino was a DOG!(As a side note: the fastest car I ever rode in, during my patrol days, was a early 70s American Motors Ambasador. Would go in excess of 140 in a straight line but wouldn't corner for beans.) Ohh! One more thing, you need either a leather bound note book/Citation book or an aluminum clip board. And a beltclipped leather backed badge holder for you shield.
 
I miss the days when law and order was contained with the .38 caliber revolver and the leaded, leather sap. I too carried one back in the day. I took mine to CLEET on my first day of class. One of my instructors told me, "I want you to run - NOT walk, to your car and put that damned thing in it. When you get home this weekend, I want you to destroy it. It has no place in today's law enforcement."

Before it was "destroyed" I did get the opportunity to use it. I was putting a combative feller in the back seat (cuffed of course) and when I "helped" him into the seat, he kicked at me. While his leg was still outside the car, I whacked him across the shin with my good ol' sap.

It sounded like a .22 going off. ;)
 
My neighbor's dad growing up had a sap. I thought that was the coolest thing. he wasn't a cop but rather a grey hound bus driver. He told us the story of a drunk trying to get on the bus and fight him. The cool part of the story was the 2 front teeth gouges etched out on the head of that chunk of leather. I always wanted one. bought a cheap slap jack but just not the same. wonder if ninjas carried those things? very high cool factor. Doeboy
 
We had a neighbor when I was a child who was a city of Atlanta bus driver. He carried a Iver-Johnson Sealed Eight revolver in his uniform jacket pocket. We used that I-J to shoot rats in an alley behind a local bakery when I was a teenager.
 
This is a great thread and brings back good memories for me.

I started in LE in the 80's (still at it) and carried a sap like the one in the original post. With it carried in the sap pocket on our uniform pants it was very unobtrusive, quick to draw, use and make onlookers wonder what happened in a short span of time.

They took them from us in the early 90's and like a fool I turned mine in... unlike many officers that "lost" theirs. I still have the M64 that I started with when they let us purchase them when we switched to semi-autos.

Ahhh, the good old days. :)
 
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