Issues with Federal Champion?
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My M&P 15 doesn't like that stuff either. Totally inaccurate. When I changed to the CCI AR Tactical my groups shrunk in half! I'll have to see how it does in my Buckmark. But for the most part I'm not impressed in the least. No FTE's though.
Majorlk
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Virtually no problems in 15k of it.
imashooter2
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None. My rifle loves it.
AR-Getsome
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No problems here. How new is your rifle and magazines?
scattershot
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Yep. That's the stuff. I've never had a misfire in 60 years of shooting .22s, until recently. I think quality control in general has gone south, except for CCI.
Had issues the first time shooting with this stuff right after buying it. My grandfather has 2 mags that I also tried in mine and same issue. I shoot 100 rounds of blazer and no issues. Do you think that's safe to say it's the ammo and not the gun?
A few weeks ago I got sick and tired of going to the range and shooting just 100 rds. of .22 ammunition and then putting my pistol back in the bag till next time. I took a brick of Federal Champion (500 rds.) and headed for the range. Over the next two days I shot the Champion in my Marvel 1911 .22 LR conversion. Function was 100% perfect. Accuracy was superlative, almost equal to what I can do with my 18-3 using good ammunition.
The following week I took a 525 Value Pak of the Federal Champions and made two trips to the range. I fired 100 rds. in the 18-3 with function and on target results identical to what I expect firing CCI Mini-Mags. I fired the remainder of the box in the Marvel at the same distances at which I fired the 18-3. Results were almost equal to the 18-3.
If I can find any more of the Federal Champion I am going to buy it. It works perfectly in both my 18-3 and Marvel conversion. It produces very consistent results on target fired from both handguns. JMHO. Sincerely. brucev.
The following week I took a 525 Value Pak of the Federal Champions and made two trips to the range. I fired 100 rds. in the 18-3 with function and on target results identical to what I expect firing CCI Mini-Mags. I fired the remainder of the box in the Marvel at the same distances at which I fired the 18-3. Results were almost equal to the 18-3.
If I can find any more of the Federal Champion I am going to buy it. It works perfectly in both my 18-3 and Marvel conversion. It produces very consistent results on target fired from both handguns. JMHO. Sincerely. brucev.
tomcatt51
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I've found the Federal 525 & 550 bulk packs ok for practice but definitely not match ammo just based on percentage of misfires.
Winchester M-22 is worse, even more misfires. Remington isn't worth buying. The Winchester 555/333/222 is better, Blazer better still and CCI Tactical has become my Rimfire Challenge match ammo.
CCI Tactical seems to be a blunter nosed slightly downloaded Mini-Mag. Mini-Mags are also at the top of my list.
For Steel Challenge or Bowling Pins with my 617(s) I use Federal 719. Consistently goes bang and is the cleanest burning 22 rimfire ammo I've ever shot. Would use it more if I could get more but it's also in a different price bracket.
Norma Tac-22 also seems to be very good (but dirtier as most std velocity seems to be) but again is pricier. It's oily/greasiness seems to be a non-issue unless you don't have a couple paper towels in your range bag... But, std velocity in a rifle gets iffy as to the shot timer recording and doesn't have the gas volume for my Ruger 22/45 Lites' compensators to work.
Just my 2 cents.
Winchester M-22 is worse, even more misfires. Remington isn't worth buying. The Winchester 555/333/222 is better, Blazer better still and CCI Tactical has become my Rimfire Challenge match ammo.
CCI Tactical seems to be a blunter nosed slightly downloaded Mini-Mag. Mini-Mags are also at the top of my list.
For Steel Challenge or Bowling Pins with my 617(s) I use Federal 719. Consistently goes bang and is the cleanest burning 22 rimfire ammo I've ever shot. Would use it more if I could get more but it's also in a different price bracket.
Norma Tac-22 also seems to be very good (but dirtier as most std velocity seems to be) but again is pricier. It's oily/greasiness seems to be a non-issue unless you don't have a couple paper towels in your range bag... But, std velocity in a rifle gets iffy as to the shot timer recording and doesn't have the gas volume for my Ruger 22/45 Lites' compensators to work.
Just my 2 cents.
AR-Getsome
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Depends. I just used 2 brand new magazine this weekend. I had a few FTE and stovepipes, It got better after going through 500 rounds. My rifle has well over 5000+ rounds through it. Never had a problem. I have 10 magazines plus the 10 my wife has and they all function flawlessly. The 2 Brand new magazines are(was) the issue until they broke in. I was using Federal bulk, and cci tactical. Did you fire this ammo through your grandpas rifle? Some rifles are finicky to certain ammo. Maybe yours is one of these rifles.
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I had an interesting incident happen with your Winchester 333. I went to the range to shoot 50 rounds of the stuff. A few FTF's but I'm not sure to expect that with bulk or not. One of the FTF's was a bullet that literally bent in half. Didn't expect that to happen at all but with the way that Winchesters are as far as being loose and being able to wiggle those things so easily I should have expected that. Fortunately no damage to the rifle or magazines. No more Winchesters for me.
photoracer
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I had issues with Federal Champion in my PC model. Turns out they have a slightly longer OAL than Fed bulk and it ended up causing a misfeed and the extractor assembly popped off when we finally managed to get the bolt to move back to be able to clear it. No problem with them in my regular 15-22.
Straightshooter2
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I have very few, if any, problems with these. True, I do get better accuracy and reliability with Mini-Mags over the bulk Federals. But I also get better accuracy and reliability with some old half-bricks of PMC Zappers over the Mini-Mags. Like someone else said, some rifles are ammo sensitive and mine seems to love those PMCs.
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imashooter2
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I'm down to my last 700 rounds of Zapper. I should have bought a pallet.
SMS Wolf
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No problems at all with this ammunition.
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It's my go-to ammo also. I've shot thousands and thousands of rounds of it out of my 15-22 without any notable problems.
It definitely isn't accurate though. At least, not in my gun.
I'm also still shooting stuff I bought "pre-panic," so the more current stuff may be lower quality.
It definitely isn't accurate though. At least, not in my gun.
I'm also still shooting stuff I bought "pre-panic," so the more current stuff may be lower quality.
that's the stuff I mostly shoot, its seams like if a you are going to get a dude in a box, there will be more than one. The last couple of boxes have been dud free for me. I only shoot them out of my K22's since they allow for easy extraction and are plenty accurate.
