It is a sad day: 3 LEO's killed, another critically injured

[gruntsrus]

[/QUOTE]
YOU are the one who initiated the use of that term, and without one IOTA of evidence.

666-You are the one who has read WAY too much into what is written, rather than spoken. Let it be done here. Too many people are dead with too many people celebrating on both sides of it. Enough with the race-baiting already.

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by gruntsrus:

YOU are the one who initiated the use of that term, and without one IOTA of evidence.

666-You are the one who has read WAY too much into what is written, rather than spoken. Let it be done here. Too many people are dead with too many people celebrating on both sides of it. Enough with the race-baiting already.

Maybe I'm a little slow. Somebody ELSE brings up a "race war", I challenge that reckless statement, and I'm the one who's race baiting?

 

[Wheelgunner840]

Originally posted by cmort666:

With the current elections as a back drop, I don't think it's a stretch to say that racial tensions are back on the rise.

Ah, so now it's "racial tensions", NOT a "race war"???

Racial tensions bring about race wars. You really don't need a degree to make that connection. Common sense, on the other hand, is something that you do need.

It was posed as a question, not an insinuation. I also asked if this is something that is going on out there as I live on the other coast and do not know if racial tensions are rising again.

It was PHRASED as in insinuation, whether you're backing off from it NOW or not. NOW, you "don't know if racial tensions are rising again"? Sounds like an attempt to be provocative, without ANY evidence.

I am not backing off from anything I said OR ASKED. Take the time to actually read and understand my initial post. Provocation is how you took it. Not much I can do about that now is there?

Please don't attempt to change what I actually said to make your case. If what you are claiming is true, this is the first I have heard of such a thing. Still too much of a conspiracy theory for me to sign on to.

WG840

What you said is what you said. You insinuated something about hundreds of thousands of people, yet you call a reference to known inciters of violence a "conspiracy theory". Yeah, right.

I insinuated nothing about hundreds of thousands of people. I was addressing 20 people, and wondered if a new trend was developing and questioned if racial tensions were on the rise. Of course, someone who thinks that a group of child molesting communists are targeting him, I guess reading stuff into things goes with the program. Good luck with that!

WG840

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by Wheelgunner840:
I insinuated nothing about hundreds of thousands of people.

Denying it doesn't change it. You made a reckless statement without a shred of evidence to back it up.

I was addressing 20 people, and wondered if a new trend was developing and questioned if racial tensions were on the rise.

You were using ***20*** people ABOUT WHOM YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to spin a FANTASY about an IMAGINARY "race war". That's either irresponsible or malicious. I don't know you well enough to say which.

Of course, someone who thinks that a group of child molesting communists are targeting him, I guess reading stuff into things goes with the program. Good luck with that!

WG840

My only reason to believe I've been "targeted" is the plethora of public statements made by those doing the "targeting". And had you paid attention, you would have seen that they're neo-Nazis from the National Alliance, not communists. As far as them being child molestors, tell everyone what happened to the leader of the Nazis in Chicago, as well as the leader of the National Vanguard, which broke away from the National Alliance.

Making things up about who has and has not threatened my life wins you no more credibility than your fear mongering about a non-existent "race war".

 

[GatorFarmer]

Originally posted by cmort666:

Originally posted by Wheelgunner840:
I insinuated nothing about hundreds of thousands of people.

Denying it doesn't change it. You made a reckless statement without a shred of evidence to back it up.

I was addressing 20 people, and wondered if a new trend was developing and questioned if racial tensions were on the rise.

You were using ***20*** people ABOUT WHOM YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to spin a FANTASY about an IMAGINARY "race war". That's either irresponsible or malicious. I don't know you well enough to say which.

Of course, someone who thinks that a group of child molesting communists are targeting him, I guess reading stuff into things goes with the program. Good luck with that!

WG840

My only reason to believe I've been "targeted" is the plethora of public statements made by those doing the "targeting". And had you paid attention, you would have seen that they're neo-Nazis from the National Alliance, not communists. As far as them being child molestors, tell everyone what happened to the leader of the Nazis in Chicago, as well as the leader of the National Vanguard, which broke away from the National Alliance.

Making things up about who has and has not threatened my life wins you no more credibility than your fear mongering about a non-existent "race war".

No. Wheelgunner simply asked a question, as to whether or not racial tensions were on the rise in Oakland and what role that might have played in the incident that transpired. Given some of the media coverage, that is a fair question since many media outlets specifically mentioned racial tensions in the area as the result of the recent shooting incident involving a transit officer. He wasn't race baiting or insinuating anything, he was asking a question predicated on what the significance of those individuals taunting the police and what it might mean.

At that point, it went weird and you started blustering, posting thinly veiled accusations and claiming to be targeted by various enemies.

Most White nationalists and separatists are no more likely to be a child molester than your average priest or Republican, so I'm not sure what that is all about. I'm sure that if you do go on White Nationalist sites and start talking about being "targeted" and accusing folks of being child molesters that you do get hate mail. You've also various claimed that Communist activists were trying to start a race war and now blame the National Alliance.

Shrug. I don't actually care that much one way or another, but you're going after Wheelgunner for no particularly valid reason and reading way too much into it.

 

[badam0112]

Originally posted by GatorFarmer:

Originally posted by cmort666:

Originally posted by Wheelgunner840:
I insinuated nothing about hundreds of thousands of people.

Denying it doesn't change it. You made a reckless statement without a shred of evidence to back it up.

I was addressing 20 people, and wondered if a new trend was developing and questioned if racial tensions were on the rise.

You were using ***20*** people ABOUT WHOM YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to spin a FANTASY about an IMAGINARY "race war". That's either irresponsible or malicious. I don't know you well enough to say which.

Of course, someone who thinks that a group of child molesting communists are targeting him, I guess reading stuff into things goes with the program. Good luck with that!

WG840

My only reason to believe I've been "targeted" is the plethora of public statements made by those doing the "targeting". And had you paid attention, you would have seen that they're neo-Nazis from the National Alliance, not communists. As far as them being child molestors, tell everyone what happened to the leader of the Nazis in Chicago, as well as the leader of the National Vanguard, which broke away from the National Alliance.

Making things up about who has and has not threatened my life wins you no more credibility than your fear mongering about a non-existent "race war".

No. Wheelgunner simply asked a question, as to whether or not racial tensions were on the rise in Oakland and what role that might have played in the incident that transpired. Given some of the media coverage, that is a fair question since many media outlets specifically mentioned racial tensions in the area as the result of the recent shooting incident involving a transit officer. He wasn't race baiting or insinuating anything, he was asking a question predicated on what the significance of those individuals taunting the police and what it might mean.

At that point, it went weird and you started blustering, posting thinly veiled accusations and claiming to be targeted by various enemies.

Most White nationalists and separatists are no more likely to be a child molester than your average priest or Republican, so I'm not sure what that is all about. I'm sure that if you do go on White Nationalist sites and start talking about being "targeted" and accusing folks of being child molesters that you do get hate mail. You've also various claimed that Communist activists were trying to start a race war and now blame the National Alliance.

Shrug. I don't actually care that much one way or another, but you're going after Wheelgunner for no particularly valid reason and reading way too much into it.

+1

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by GatorFarmer:
No. Wheelgunner simply asked a question, as to whether or not racial tensions were on the rise in Oakland and what role that might have played in the incident that transpired. Given some of the media coverage, that is a fair question since many media outlets specifically mentioned racial tensions in the area as the result of the recent shooting incident involving a transit officer. He wasn't race baiting or insinuating anything, he was asking a question predicated on what the significance of those individuals taunting the police and what it might mean.

At that point, it went weird and you started blustering, posting thinly veiled accusations and claiming to be targeted by various enemies.

Most White nationalists and separatists are no more likely to be a child molester than your average priest or Republican, so I'm not sure what that is all about. I'm sure that if you do go on White Nationalist sites and start talking about being "targeted" and accusing folks of being child molesters that you do get hate mail. You've also various claimed that Communist activists were trying to start a race war and now blame the National Alliance.

Shrug. I don't actually care that much one way or another, but you're going after Wheelgunner for no particularly valid reason and reading way too much into it.

It wasn't me who started talking about "race wars". It was him. And it was incredibly irresponsible and utterly without basis. And even he's tap dancing now, backing away from his previous ridiculous statements.

Pedophilia is a thread which runs throughout National Socialism, from Ernst Roehm, to the leader of the National Vanguard, who was popped for kiddie porn. I don't go on the websites of those goosestepping kiddie diddlers. They intrude into usenet newsgroups attempting to peddle their loathesome BS to people who aren't interested, spamming their retarded screeds, over and over.

I suppose it's not surprising that if somebody would defend idiotic talk about "race wars" that they'd defend neo-Nazis.

 

[Wheelgunner840]

Posted by GatorFarmer:
No. Wheelgunner simply asked a question, as to whether or not racial tensions were on the rise in Oakland and what role that might have played in the incident that transpired. Given some of the media coverage, that is a fair question since many media outlets specifically mentioned racial tensions in the area as the result of the recent shooting incident involving a transit officer. He wasn't race baiting or insinuating anything, he was asking a question predicated on what the significance of those individuals taunting the police and what it might mean.

Thanks GatorFarmer, You have read the exact meaning of my initial response.

From Cmort666.
It wasn't me who started talking about "race wars". It was him. And it was incredibly irresponsible and utterly without basis. And even he's tap dancing now, backing away from his previous ridiculous statements.

CMort666, you have flipped out over two words taken out of context. The words were used in the form of a question. You obviously cannot comprehend that. I never back away from my statements (or questions). As you can plainly see, I have not edited my initial post, nor will I. I have, and will admit a mistake if I feel I have made one. I do not nor have I ever tap danced!

I have tried to make my position as clear as possible. You refuse to listen. I'm pretty much done with your idiotic ramblings. It's off to "Ignore land" you go.

Now if I may direct this otherwise fine thread back to it's initial purpose, which was to honor those fallen officers who gave their lives in the line of duty. I apologize to the OP for letting myself get baited into this foolishness of having to defend myself. The rest of you will see CMorts666s posts, I won't see, nor respond to any more of his ridiculous assertions.

Again, I apologize to all for letting it go this far.


WG840

 

[GatorFarmer]

Originally posted by cmort666:

Originally posted by GatorFarmer:
No. Wheelgunner simply asked a question, as to whether or not racial tensions were on the rise in Oakland and what role that might have played in the incident that transpired. Given some of the media coverage, that is a fair question since many media outlets specifically mentioned racial tensions in the area as the result of the recent shooting incident involving a transit officer. He wasn't race baiting or insinuating anything, he was asking a question predicated on what the significance of those individuals taunting the police and what it might mean.

At that point, it went weird and you started blustering, posting thinly veiled accusations and claiming to be targeted by various enemies.

Most White nationalists and separatists are no more likely to be a child molester than your average priest or Republican, so I'm not sure what that is all about. I'm sure that if you do go on White Nationalist sites and start talking about being "targeted" and accusing folks of being child molesters that you do get hate mail. You've also various claimed that Communist activists were trying to start a race war and now blame the National Alliance.

Shrug. I don't actually care that much one way or another, but you're going after Wheelgunner for no particularly valid reason and reading way too much into it.

It wasn't me who started talking about "race wars". It was him. And it was incredibly irresponsible and utterly without basis. And even he's tap dancing now, backing away from his previous ridiculous statements.

Pedophilia is a thread which runs throughout National Socialism, from Ernst Roehm, to the leader of the National Vanguard, who was popped for kiddie porn. I don't go on the websites of those goosestepping kiddie diddlers. They intrude into usenet newsgroups attempting to peddle their loathesome BS to people who aren't interested, spamming their retarded screeds, over and over.

I suppose it's not surprising that if somebody would defend idiotic talk about "race wars" that they'd defend neo-Nazis.

Strom was accused of trying to have sex with an underage girl, not a boy. If you're going to write about things, get your facts in correct order.

Ernst Rohm was apparently a homosexual. He was shot by the Nazis during a political struggle, not for being gay - which was actually common enough in Germany of the Weimar era that no one particularly cared, but for actually taking the "socialist" part of things seriously.

Not that is particularly my interest to defend Nazis, rather just to point out that you've been going off on weird tangents and behaving oddly.

Wheelgunner explained himself several times, and media coverage off Associated Press mentioned that governor Arnie was flying out to Oakland, in part because of issues related to racial tensions. (Unless of course the major wire services are in on the conspiracy that exists in your mind to promote a race war.) All you've done is accuse him of having some sort of twisted agenda for asking a simple question.

There were legitimate cases in the past of Blacks specifically targeting police officers (the Zerbra killings, etc), so it wasn't a question out of left field.

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by GatorFarmer:

Originally posted by cmort666:

Originally posted by GatorFarmer:
No. Wheelgunner simply asked a question, as to whether or not racial tensions were on the rise in Oakland and what role that might have played in the incident that transpired. Given some of the media coverage, that is a fair question since many media outlets specifically mentioned racial tensions in the area as the result of the recent shooting incident involving a transit officer. He wasn't race baiting or insinuating anything, he was asking a question predicated on what the significance of those individuals taunting the police and what it might mean.

At that point, it went weird and you started blustering, posting thinly veiled accusations and claiming to be targeted by various enemies.

Most White nationalists and separatists are no more likely to be a child molester than your average priest or Republican, so I'm not sure what that is all about. I'm sure that if you do go on White Nationalist sites and start talking about being "targeted" and accusing folks of being child molesters that you do get hate mail. You've also various claimed that Communist activists were trying to start a race war and now blame the National Alliance.

Shrug. I don't actually care that much one way or another, but you're going after Wheelgunner for no particularly valid reason and reading way too much into it.

It wasn't me who started talking about "race wars". It was him. And it was incredibly irresponsible and utterly without basis. And even he's tap dancing now, backing away from his previous ridiculous statements.

Pedophilia is a thread which runs throughout National Socialism, from Ernst Roehm, to the leader of the National Vanguard, who was popped for kiddie porn. I don't go on the websites of those goosestepping kiddie diddlers. They intrude into usenet newsgroups attempting to peddle their loathesome BS to people who aren't interested, spamming their retarded screeds, over and over.

I suppose it's not surprising that if somebody would defend idiotic talk about "race wars" that they'd defend neo-Nazis.

Strom was accused of trying to have sex with an underage girl, not a boy. If you're going to write about things, get your facts in correct order.

Ernst Rohm was apparently a homosexual. He was shot by the Nazis during a political struggle, not for being gay - which was actually common enough in Germany of the Weimar era that no one particularly cared, but for actually taking the "socialist" part of things seriously.

Not that is particularly my interest to defend Nazis, rather just to point out that you've been going off on weird tangents and behaving oddly.

Wheelgunner explained himself several times, and media coverage off Associated Press mentioned that governor Arnie was flying out to Oakland, in part because of issues related to racial tensions. (Unless of course the major wire services are in on the conspiracy that exists in your mind to promote a race war.) All you've done is accuse him of having some sort of twisted agenda for asking a simple question.

There were legitimate cases in the past of Blacks specifically targeting police officers (the Zerbra killings, etc), so it wasn't a question out of left field.

1. Strom Thurmond was a Klansman, not a Nazi.
2. Ernst Roehm had a preference for underage boys.
3. To this very moment, none of you has shown the slightest evidence of any "race war". It's complete and utter nonsense.
4. Citing ***20*** UNIDENTIFIED nitwits as proof of a "race war" is as imbecilic as citing the Westboro Baptist Church retards as proof of a coming Christian pogrom against Jews.

 

[tripledipper]

Only the very naive or out of touch dismiss the growing demographic related tensions these days. It is what it is and the present economy will only exacerbate the hard feelings among the various groups. Domestic terrorism is a very real threat to our existence. The next McVeigh may be black, brown, yellow or white, but the target will always be LE. A bad underpaid job will only get worse. The thin blue line indeed.

 

[GatorFarmer]

Originally posted by cmort666:
[1. Strom Thurmond was a Klansman, not a Nazi.
2. Ernst Roehm had a preference for underage boys.
3. To this very moment, none of you has shown the slightest evidence of any "race war". It's complete and utter nonsense.
4. Citing ***20*** UNIDENTIFIED nitwits as proof of a "race war" is as imbecilic as citing the Westboro Baptist Church retards as proof of a coming Christian pogrom against Jews.

1. I was refering to Kevin Alfred Strom of the National Vanguard, who you brought up and incorrectly claimed molested boys. While he may have been a pedarest (or wannabe pedarest) he seems to have liked girls.

2. I don't research the sexual preferences of old dead Nazis exhaustively, however a seemingly authoritative series of write ups on the subject in the UK military magazine "Military Illustrated" about such subjects gave no credence to such allegations about Ernst and claimed that he was shot for being a socialist and that while gay, no one really cared that he was. Which is neither here nor there save for your side track about Nazi pedarests.

3. No one suggests that one was coming that I'm aware of. I don't think that there is a collective "you" at work here either.

4. No one cited 20 people as anything other than to ask to what degree that might show underlying tensions in the greater Oakland area and to ask whether that might have played a role in what happened or at the least represent a PR problem in Oakland.

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by GatorFarmer:

Originally posted by cmort666:
[1. Strom Thurmond was a Klansman, not a Nazi.
2. Ernst Roehm had a preference for underage boys.
3. To this very moment, none of you has shown the slightest evidence of any "race war". It's complete and utter nonsense.
4. Citing ***20*** UNIDENTIFIED nitwits as proof of a "race war" is as imbecilic as citing the Westboro Baptist Church retards as proof of a coming Christian pogrom against Jews.

1. I was refering to Kevin Alfred Strom of the National Vanguard, who you brought up and incorrectly claimed molested boys. While he may have been a pedarest (or wannabe pedarest) he seems to have liked girls.

2. I don't research the sexual preferences of old dead Nazis exhaustively, however a seemingly authoritative series of write ups on the subject in the UK military magazine "Military Illustrated" about such subjects gave no credence to such allegations about Ernst and claimed that he was shot for being a socialist and that while gay, no one really cared that he was. Which is neither here nor there save for your side track about Nazi pedarests.

3. No one suggests that one was coming that I'm aware of. I don't think that there is a collective "you" at work here either.

4. No one cited 20 people as anything other than to ask to what degree that might show underlying tensions in the greater Oakland area and to ask whether that might have played a role in what happened or at the least represent a PR problem in Oakland.

1. I don't hold people who molest girls in any higher regard than those who molest boys.
2. THE book on the SS, "Order of the Death's Head" SPECIFICALLY refers to Roehm's predilection for boys.
3. The SPECIFIC words, "RACE WAR" were used. Superman couldn't make the leap from ***20*** dolts to a "RACE WAR".
4. To top it all off, the instigator of this nonsense is now backing off from his own claims on all fronts.

You guys could give Chris Dodd lessons in dissembling.

 

[7003006]

I think one of the posters in this thread is either totally nuts or just playing with us.Talk about adding one plus one and coming up with fourty seven.

 

[bk43]

Originally posted by 7003006:
I think one of the posters in this thread is either totally nuts...

Hang in there, it'll get better. He's about one page from declaring everybody anti-semitic and holocaust deniers while he bitch slaps the old fart mopping the floor at McDonalds into next week. Then he throws his NRA hat in the trash and curses the Chicago police.

On topic, may God bless the families and fellow officers of those slain. Sad, sad day.

Bob

 

[mississippi revolverman]

Bottom line thre LEO gave their life in the line of duty and the 4 th soon to go.

Sad day for us all. Prayers go out to the families

 

[Munsterf18]

It's already starting...

Oakland police department stunned by day of loss
Associated Press Writers – Mon Mar 23, 5:15 am ET

...Mixon had previously served six years in state prison for assault with a firearm during an armed robbery in San Francisco, the family said. While he was in Corcoran state prison, he married his childhood girlfriend, they said.

Mixon's uncle, 38-year-old Curtis Mixon of Fremont, said his nephew had become depressed because as a convicted felon he could not find work. His nephew expected authorities to issue an arrest warrant for missing parole meetings, even though the he felt he was not to blame, he said.
"I think his frustration was building up, but he was trying to better himself," Curtis Mixon said. LaTasha Mixon said Sunday her cousin was "not a monster."

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by bk43:

Originally posted by 7003006:
I think one of the posters in this thread is either totally nuts...

Hang in there, it'll get better. He's about one page from declaring everybody anti-semitic and holocaust deniers while he bitch slaps the old fart mopping the floor at McDonalds into next week. Then he throws his NRA hat in the trash and curses the Chicago police.

On topic, may God bless the families and fellow officers of those slain. Sad, sad day.

Bob

So, then you agree with Grandpa Eichmann's unsolicited evaluation of certain demographic adjustments made between 1933 and 1945?

But hey, it's still [for now] a relatively free country. Subject to the moderator's intervention, you're free to cheerlead hysterical talk about "race wars".

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by Munsterf18:
It's already starting...

Oakland police department stunned by day of loss
Associated Press Writers – Mon Mar 23, 5:15 am ET

...Mixon had previously served six years in state prison for assault with a firearm during an armed robbery in San Francisco, the family said. While he was in Corcoran state prison, he married his childhood girlfriend, they said.

Mixon's uncle, 38-year-old Curtis Mixon of Fremont, said his nephew had become depressed because as a convicted felon he could not find work. His nephew expected authorities to issue an arrest warrant for missing parole meetings, even though the he felt he was not to blame, he said.
"I think his frustration was building up, but he was trying to better himself," Curtis Mixon said. LaTasha Mixon said Sunday her cousin was "not a monster."

Nobody's kid is EVER a "monster"... even when they kill and eat a dozen people.

I'm going to go out on a limb, but let me suggest that being a career [incompetent] felon [who gets caught a lot] isn't a good path to advancement in a crashing economy.

The world is better off without Mr. Nixon. It's just a shame that he wasn't run over by a bus before he had a chance to do real harm.

 

[gruntsrus]

[/QUOTE]
Maybe I'm a little slow. Somebody ELSE brings up a "race war", I challenge that reckless statement, and I'm the one who's race baiting?[/QUOTE]

No, I don't believe you're ..." a little slow." I believe you are too emotional and have jumped to a huge conclusion in now relating a forum member's comment(s) with white supemacists hatred websites, pedophiles from white supremacists backgrounds, and making thinly veiled accusations that they may be a memeber of such groups, or a sympathizer to them.

There is nothing to backpedal away from except for a group of black people who were taunting Law Enforcement Officers arriving on the scene of 2 white officers shot in cold blood, by a wanted black felon. Now, remove the color of skin from all involved; a group of people almost cheering on the murders of 2 cops. It does not matter what color the bystanders were-they are sick. You [cmort666] are standing right now on the precipice of joining that group of 20 or so bystanders and taunting the back up LEOs showing up to the scene. Why? Do you believe the stereotypical jargon about gun enthusiasts being uneducated and are just trolling here for fun?
Here's a perspective you [cmort666] should take a closer look at, please; A group of 20 or so people are taunting LEOs as result of the murder of 2 cops, of another race. Why would the question of a "race war" be offensive and loaded to sound like a statement from a white suprmeacist's perspective? How did you jump to that conclusion, that this other forum member was a white supremacist and possibly a pedophile? You have gone far beyond the bounds of logic and reason in search of what you will not find here; hatred does not reside here.