I've applied for a Chicago business license...

[Andy Griffith]

How long will it be before I get my FFL and can sell handguns to all the serfs...I mean law-abiding citizens in Chicago?

No, I'm not really going to open a gun shop. That's a great way to turn a large fortune into a small one, but...

Any bets on how many years it will be before a handgun is sold or possessed inside the city limits under the ruling?

At least, we're closer.

 

[PDL]

The folks in Chicago have it better than those in DC. Seems to me that state residents should be able to buy from any FFL in the state, they don't need a store in town like DC would.

 

[7shooter]

DC residents can't by from an FFL in Virginia or MD?

I think an IL resident could purchase a firearm from an FFL in a different state if he had an IL FFL send a copy of the IL FFL to the other state FFL and then have the firearm shipped to the IL FFL where the purchaser would fill out all the federal and state paper work. Someone who knows better than I do please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[oldRoger]

I think it is going to be difficult for the Big Cities in the end to regulate handguns out of existance, although the end may be far away.
Some quotes from Justice Alito:
“Self-defense is a basic right, recognized by many legal systems from ancient times to the present day, and in Heller, we held that individual self-defense is “the central component” of the Second Amendment right.
(“[T]he American people have considered the handgun to be the quintessential self-defense weapon”). Thus, we concluded, citizens must be permitted “to use [handguns] for the core lawful purpose of self-defense.”

In sum, it is clear that the Framers and ratifiers of the Fourteenth Amendment counted the right to keep and bear arms among those fundamental rights necessary to our system of ordered liberty.”

 

[7shooter]

Yes, that is true, but my question remains... can't DC residents by from an FFL in VA or MD? They don't need to have it sent to FFL in DC, do they?

I don't think DC residents could use a Virginia or Maryland FFL to purchase a handgun as they are not a resident of those states. I'm not sure but long gun purchases might be OK. Again, someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I am not an attorney although my home is infested with attorneys during holidays. Actually I enjoy having them and in any event they are all relatives so there is little danger they will go away. I am a little concerned about what might happen when my grandkids get old enough to apply to law school. They are thinking about it.

 

[Niner19]

Yes, that is true, but my question remains... can't DC residents by from an FFL in VA or MD? They don't need to have it sent to FFL in DC, do they?

Yes Klas... it is against the 1968 Gun Control Act for a resident of one state to buy a gun in another state, even from an FFL. The exception being a non-resident can purchase long gun from an FFL in another state as long as that gun would be legal (according to state laws) in both states.

To purchase a handgun from a person or FFL from another state you must pay for it and then have the gun shipped to an FFL in your home state who would then transfer it to you.

So,the original poster is correct. The folks in DC cannot go to VA and buy a handun from an FFL. But the folks in Chicago can go outside of the city and buy a handgun from an IL FFL and bring it back into the city. They are much better off than the folks in DC.

In fact if you read the decision put out today, the petitioners all own hadguns that they keep outside of the Chicago City limits.

 

[7shooter]

But the DC residents are not residents of a STATE. So, again, where did the DC residents who have successfully registered their guns buy them? Or have all the registered guns come from people who already owned them illegally in DC??

Again, I am looking to be corrected if I am wrong but I think I remember that some guns may have been grandfathered in before the law banning them was enacted. Also, if I remember correctly they had to be unloaded and perhaps disassembled. Somebody has to have a better memory about this than I do.

 

[oldRoger]

7shooter, I think you are right, Heller may have had a handgun legally stored from his previous job, seems to me he was a security guard.
I think someone in DC now has an FFL but almost no business. That is why McCain and others want to change DC law. DC law because it is a federal district is mostly set by congress. What the DC city government is doing is passing ordnances and regulations which make it all but impossible to buy a gun for self-defense. As soon as one law is thrown out by the court another is adopted. Remember the DC city government is overwhelmingly liberal and anti self-defense, and the voters like it that way.

 

[oldRoger]

The city has the ability to hire competent attorneys with fertile minds at public expense, and given that the city is always on offence puts the city in a position of great advantage.
First someone must try to get over the new obstacles the city will put in place, then go through any appeals provided, then and only then file suit, and probably advance at least through the appeals court.
If the city has a good strategy (I think DC has), they will have a new ordinance ready to put in place if they lose their appeal. They need not waste a lot of time, just pass a new ordinance “for the children”.
Since this is being done at no cost to the city official, and in fact helps him be reelected it can be endless.
The demand for liability insurance is the product of a “fertile mind”, it may be a bit too clever though, I would be surprised if any insurance company would agree to offer such a policy at any sort of affordable price, if so a court might be found that would throw out the ordinance.


Until and unless some court gets tired of the gamesmanship, or until we get strict scrutiny and a definition of “reasonable” thrashed out, local elections are our best approach.

 

[PDL]

Sorry, I didn't come back to this thread earlier. '68 GCA keeps you from buying handguns out of state, without an in state FFL to transfer to. It also banned mail order guns and a bunch of other stuff. You can get long guns out of state these days. The point of the attempt to codify DC gun laws is to take those folks from limbo to the same level of any 'state' resident.

I didn't realize someone in DC actually had an FFL. The BATF changed the rules a while ago to say that you had to have a store front, well that might just be NJ rules.

Anyway, folks that lived out of state and owned legaly purchased firearms could have stored them out of town and then registered them in DC when Heller was done.
Got to watch for people like Kagen who said today the if underlying reasons change, a settled law can be changed.
Not to mention Feinstein(sp) saying that since it was only a 5 to 4 decision, it might be challenged in the future.

 

[PDL]

OR,
I think they got the idea of manditory insurance from the Health care crap. Government can mandate those things these days.

 

[oldRoger]

I think the idea of mandatory insurance is that it would be so expensive very few could afford it. No insurance, no gun.
Actually it works that way we had a nice small indoor range, it closed, couldn’t afford the insurance.