Yes, those Hollywood types are very discerning about the nuances of clothing, and they also make excellent interior decorators. I'm surprised that they weren't more sympathetic to J. Edgar.Costuming and set design was great though!!
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Faulkner
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Hoover may or may not have been gay, but I doubt anyone would have called him a sissy to his face.
Having talked with several of my now retired Fraternity Brothers who were FBI agents who served while Mr. Hoover was director, to a man they do not believe he was anything other than a dedicated director. While they, like many others of us , occasionally were frustrated by their bosses, to a man they are proud of their service and recognize these attacks on the director after his death for what they are. I should also say that a couple of them retired in senior management positions.
george minze
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Amen to that...The boot camp stuff was as I remembered it....It is the kind of thing you don't forget.....To
Gunny T.D. White who was a vet from WW 11, and Korea...May you rest in peace. God bless you....He sure ,gave us no peace, but he probably saved some of our worthless, lower than whale **** hides.. the rest of the movie and some of the depictions were way out there, but what do you expect from Stone???..............
Cooter Brown
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Stanley Kubrick directed "Full Metal Jacket".
Lee Ermey, who played the Drill Instructor, was originally hired as a consultant to coach the actor who was going to play the DI. After a couple of days Kubrick realized that he had his DI right there and fired the actor and hired Ermey to play the part. That kicked off Ermey's career in showbiz, for lack of a better term.
The Marines I've known said the boot camp part of FMJ was dean on, and whenever I've watched it with any of them they laugh their fannies off during the whole sequence--except the last scene.
Lee Ermey, who played the Drill Instructor, was originally hired as a consultant to coach the actor who was going to play the DI. After a couple of days Kubrick realized that he had his DI right there and fired the actor and hired Ermey to play the part. That kicked off Ermey's career in showbiz, for lack of a better term.
The Marines I've known said the boot camp part of FMJ was dean on, and whenever I've watched it with any of them they laugh their fannies off during the whole sequence--except the last scene.
nicky4968
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I guess we're close to a "political" discussion. In honor of Thanksgiving, I will be the turkey and put my head on the block. When the President was interning the Americans of Japanese descent, and the Governor of California, Mr. "Is It Fair" Earl Warren and his buddies were raking in the dough, J. Edgar Hoover said these people were American citizens who had committed no crime. Their civil rights were being violated. Neither he nor his agency would have anything to do with this nefarious business. He said it loudly, he said it often. The ACLU gave him an award for being so vigilant of the rights of citizens during the war.
I don't care if he was a cross-dressing, vegan Martian who wrote bad poetry. We could use more people who insisted on what was right over what was expedient.
PS: I want to see the movie.
I don't care if he was a cross-dressing, vegan Martian who wrote bad poetry. We could use more people who insisted on what was right over what was expedient.
PS: I want to see the movie.
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Not really.
I think the movie can be discussed without going into politics, gay rights and/or a general discussion of homosexuality.
semperfi71
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nicky4968,
Go see the movie. I have never heard Mr. Hoover speak, although I am sure I can find video clips of him doing so.
It appeared that DiCaprio worked very hard at getting the "persona" right...if as Mr. Hoover's mannerisms and speech/dialect was done right in the movie.
There, to me, has never been a movie that was historically correct. Every movie is a video of the opinion of the director/producer, and usually opinions are only important to the person who gives one.
"It is lonely at the top" is a very true statement. A man like J. Edgar Hoover most likely could not form (and should not have formed) close relationships with anybody in his department. To be truly efficient, at any given moment, a boss may have to fire/layoff any employee for the better of the business.
Therefore is is easy to understand a very close personal relationship such as Hoover/Tolson. Everybody needs a friend.
I personally have never cared about other people's lifestyles as long as they do not infringe on mine or endanger anyone else.
As long as someone is doing their job, their life outside of work is their business.
I think J. Edgar Hoover created the most professional and efficient police force in the free world. Under his leadership it was outstanding.
Go see the movie. I have never heard Mr. Hoover speak, although I am sure I can find video clips of him doing so.
It appeared that DiCaprio worked very hard at getting the "persona" right...if as Mr. Hoover's mannerisms and speech/dialect was done right in the movie.
There, to me, has never been a movie that was historically correct. Every movie is a video of the opinion of the director/producer, and usually opinions are only important to the person who gives one.
"It is lonely at the top" is a very true statement. A man like J. Edgar Hoover most likely could not form (and should not have formed) close relationships with anybody in his department. To be truly efficient, at any given moment, a boss may have to fire/layoff any employee for the better of the business.
Therefore is is easy to understand a very close personal relationship such as Hoover/Tolson. Everybody needs a friend.
I personally have never cared about other people's lifestyles as long as they do not infringe on mine or endanger anyone else.
As long as someone is doing their job, their life outside of work is their business.
I think J. Edgar Hoover created the most professional and efficient police force in the free world. Under his leadership it was outstanding.
bubbiesdad
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That kicked off Ermey's career in showbiz, for lack of a better term.
Maybe gave him that little push he needed. He actually appeared as a DI in "The Boys From Company C" in 1978. He was also played a chopper pilot in Apocalypse Now". That role lasted a few seconds.
CAJUNLAWYER
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J Edgar is proof positive of the old saying "Power Corrupts-absoute power corrupts absolutely." He is what happens to a bureaucrat that burrows in like a parasite into a living organism to the point where the only way he can be dislodged is by death, either his or the organism.
What people do not realize is that the REAL problen in government is not so much the elected officials, but the entrenched bureaucrats who because of civil service cannot be dislodged. The elected officials may try to set policy, but it is the lmid level managers in the cubicles throught the country hidden from view that decide what they want to do, what policy they want to enforce, or more importantly, how to enforce.
Hopefully we will never see another J. Edgar Hoover again (by that I mean ANYONE who can hold on through 7 administrations).
And yes, I am going to see the movie.
What people do not realize is that the REAL problen in government is not so much the elected officials, but the entrenched bureaucrats who because of civil service cannot be dislodged. The elected officials may try to set policy, but it is the lmid level managers in the cubicles throught the country hidden from view that decide what they want to do, what policy they want to enforce, or more importantly, how to enforce.
Hopefully we will never see another J. Edgar Hoover again (by that I mean ANYONE who can hold on through 7 administrations).
And yes, I am going to see the movie.
sigp220.45
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He was barely cold before legislation was passed limiting FBI Directors to a single ten year term.
That said, our current Director just got a two-year extension from you-know-who, done with very little fanfare.
imjin138
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I beleive if he had retired in the late 40's or early 50's after 25 years on the job he would have been remembered quite differently.
semperfi71
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CAJUNLAWYER sez:
"J Edgar is proof positive of the old saying "Power Corrupts-absoute power corrupts absolutely." He is what happens to a bureaucrat that burrows in like a parasite into a living organism to the point where the only way he can be dislodged is by death, either his or the organism.
What people do not realize is that the REAL problen in government is not so much the elected officials, but the entrenched bureaucrats who because of civil service cannot be dislodged. The elected officials may try to set policy, but it is the lmid level managers in the cubicles throught the country hidden from view that decide what they want to do, what policy they want to enforce, or more importantly, how to enforce."
I worked for the FAA as an air traffic controller for 31 years and he speaks the truth. It is quite often the bureaucrats who cause the greatest harm.
It was a third-level British bureaucrat who carved the Middle East into what it is today if I remember correctly.
"J Edgar is proof positive of the old saying "Power Corrupts-absoute power corrupts absolutely." He is what happens to a bureaucrat that burrows in like a parasite into a living organism to the point where the only way he can be dislodged is by death, either his or the organism.
What people do not realize is that the REAL problen in government is not so much the elected officials, but the entrenched bureaucrats who because of civil service cannot be dislodged. The elected officials may try to set policy, but it is the lmid level managers in the cubicles throught the country hidden from view that decide what they want to do, what policy they want to enforce, or more importantly, how to enforce."
I worked for the FAA as an air traffic controller for 31 years and he speaks the truth. It is quite often the bureaucrats who cause the greatest harm.
It was a third-level British bureaucrat who carved the Middle East into what it is today if I remember correctly.
williamlayton
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There are too many good books out to be unable to paint J Edgar in an untrue light.
He was a lousy, immoral, homsexual, ego-maniac.
He was a dictator of the first rank.
he pushed paper to the point of stupidity in order to appear as productive and competent.
He had absolutely no clue about the job of his beaurocracy and any success of the agency was in direct oposition to his actual desire and/or abilities as a law enforcement officer.
The Agency is a much better opperation without his dictatorship.
Blessings
PS--His casket was a 6 ton lead lined casket.
He was a lousy, immoral, homsexual, ego-maniac.
He was a dictator of the first rank.
he pushed paper to the point of stupidity in order to appear as productive and competent.
He had absolutely no clue about the job of his beaurocracy and any success of the agency was in direct oposition to his actual desire and/or abilities as a law enforcement officer.
The Agency is a much better opperation without his dictatorship.
Blessings
PS--His casket was a 6 ton lead lined casket.
The movie was made with the cooperation of the F.B.I. Hoover had a bobbed hammer Colt Pocket Positive (.32 NP) that he carried for years. It is now owned by the F.B.I.. In the October 2011 issue of American Rifleman there is an article about the handguns of the F.B.I. and the actual revolver is shown. Here is the image that can be found on the NRA's website. I don't know if the producers were able to use the actual Hoover Colt Pocket Positive or if they modified another one to stand in for it.
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kenpofan
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Anybody who IMHO was anti communist gets this kind of thing after they pass.
Can't prove nor disprove..so it gets to be ,after a while, a fact.
With all the things that can be proven without issue why would the
Homosexual/Crossdressing thing keep coming up ?
All we hear today is its normative and acceptable so why
would it keep coming up ?
Again IMHO..smear this man.
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semperfi71
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Checkman sez; "The movie was made with the cooperation of the F.B.I. Hoover had a bobbed hammer Colt Pocket Positive (.32 NP) that he carried for years."
I got lucky and called one right! I have the exact same revolver with the exception of the bobbed hammer. I have not shot it yet but am looking forward to reloading for it. It is definitely a "pocket pistol" and I would not sneer at its ability to defend one from harm.
No.....I am not going to bob the hammer and start wearing dresses............
I got lucky and called one right! I have the exact same revolver with the exception of the bobbed hammer. I have not shot it yet but am looking forward to reloading for it. It is definitely a "pocket pistol" and I would not sneer at its ability to defend one from harm.
No.....I am not going to bob the hammer and start wearing dresses............
Checkman sez; "The movie was made with the cooperation of the F.B.I. Hoover had a bobbed hammer Colt Pocket Positive (.32 NP) that he carried for years."
I got lucky and called one right! I have the exact same revolver with the exception of the bobbed hammer. I have not shot it yet but am looking forward to reloading for it. It is definitely a "pocket pistol" and I would not sneer at its ability to defend one from harm.
No.....I am not going to bob the hammer and start wearing dresses............
It's a good looking little revolver I must admit.
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J. Edgar is a bogeyman to some people. Yes, he stayed in office too long, like federal judges and Supreme Court justices. The fact that he was a very private man who did not seek the limelight or feel the need to play the Oracle has allowed all sorts of ridiculous speculation about him that has some how been transmuted into Gospel Truth. The most critical thing I can think to say about the Hoover-Tolson relationship was that it might be fine for a business or entertainment relationship but not for a government agency.
Armyphotog
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My Dad graduated from the F.B.I. Police Academy in 1940 and got to meet Hoover. I have read everything I could find on him as I was growing up, and Yes, I'm afraid he was a very flawed individual. However, unlike his own lifestyle, he demanded total integrity from his agents, and perfered they be family men of the highest character. Interesting fellow. I am looking forward to seeing how Hollywood deals with all of these inconsistencies.
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