Jim Cirillo and Jelly Bryce questions

[crazyphil]

As the old saying goes: "Time goes fast when your having fun".

 

[StakeOut]

As the old saying goes: "Time goes fast when your having fun".

I remember it as "Time Flies When You're Having Fun"

 

[P.44]

StakeOut
Happy birthday from Germany

P.44

 

[crazyphil]

I'll 2nd that Happy Birthday!

 

[Ohsheepdog]

Happy birthday!

 

[StakeOut]

Thanks guys for the warm words.

I must admit I've never read the Cirillo Books.I did read most of the Jordan book "No Second Place Winner" while in the SOU.

I did read the New York Magazine article and smiled at the passage about where I kept the bullet that hit my vest without revealing my name.

Since I've joined this forum in February a lot of lost memory of the years of working with Jimmy Cirillo and Bill Allard returned.Some of it plays like a movie in my mind as did the shootings the nights after they happened.Shaking loose of the mental replays at night while trying to sleep took a lot of time after each occurrence.

Things long lost are again fresh....the good and the bad.

I'd prefer to remember things as they really were without the writer added fluff(aka BS) but the fluff is what sells to paying customers that like to read that sort of stuff.

Stake Out work like a lot of police work is very boring for long stretches of time but gets really interesting very quickly at about 3AM when in front of your eyes there appears a person(s) with guns in hand and they're threatening bodily harm on a really scared for they're life civilian.

Except for a few super markets,banks and finance companies most stake outs were in mom and pop liquor stores,dry cleaners etc where the take was often less than 100 bucks.

 

[P.44]

Hope the good memories win...

P.44

 

[crazyphil]

Stakeout your description of the work on the SOU reminds me of when I
was a pilot. Hours and hours of boredom interrupted occasionally by a few
seconds of sheer horror.

 

[Ohsheepdog]

Crazy Phil, that's ALL law enforcement & FD!

 

[LOBO]

StakeOut,
Happy Birthday my friend!

 

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

In one of his books Cirillo said he used " two regular holsters" for his 4 inch M&Ps, he also said he carried a ppk in a "crotch holster". Did not indicate if he used a holster for the Colt he carried in his pocket.

Bryce probably used an S. D. Myres Threepersons style during his OKCPD and early FBI days. Several of his contemporaries were confirmed to have used those.
There is a Heiser holster, I believe it is their style 415, that is referred to as the FBI holster but never heard who designed it. It is a Threepeson style also. The only holster I know of attributed to an SA is the one designed by Hank Sloan.
Turnerriver or Larry Wack can probably add to or correct this.

The "Crotch Holster" for the PPK was in all likelihood made by Chic Gaylord, who was crafting them for all the metropolitan area narcs throughout NYC. It was one way to pack without risk of a "bump frisk" doing a buy and bust. What Cirillo needed or wanted one for is anyones guess. I don't imagine his squad worried about that much. When the music ended, it was pretty quiet.

Cheers;
Lefty

 

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

Thank you lawanorder. I wonder what "two regular holsters" were?
I read somewhere that Bryce did use Myres holster but the concealment holster he designed for the FBI covered the trigger guard.

Probably "Jay Pee" uniform holsters. It was common practice to use the service holster, even in plainclothes, cause you could conceal it with the fashions of the time and....cops were cheapskates....at least the honest ones!

Cheers;
Lefty

 

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

I also knew Cirillo. He was killed a very, very short distance from my home. We spoke often during his visits in later years at Dan Wesson in Norwich, NY when I was crafting their OEM gunleather. I was introduced to him on a street by fellow NYPD detective many years before and he said he was at that time working for Elizabeth Taylor as her bodyguard. She was on a Broadway production of some sort at the time. Wow, what a side job!

He was a good man, liked him every time we met.

Cheers;
Lefty