Jim Cirillo and Jelly Bryce questions

[LOBO]

Thanks to all of you for supplying these wonderful stories & "insider" accounts!

 

[StakeOut]

Spoiler: Late in life, JC became a Glock man!

That is just so hard to believe.

Got more Jimmy Cirillo stories somewhere in my frontal lobe.

I just picked up a 15-6 that's in shooter condition.While it's not my beloved original Model 10 it's just as much fun to shoot.

 

[crazyphil]

federali Thanks for the tip about Gene DeSantis being friends with Jim
Cirillo. I sent an email to Gene and he responded. Don't know yet if
he will be able to confirm the holster or not. Obviously Jim probably had
a lot of holsters.

 

[StakeOut]

In Jim Cirillo's fun-reading book, he describes an incident where he takes his Colt Cobra from his pocket, along with a dime and a piece of chewing gun, to pay for a purchase. The gun disturbs the sales lady. Obviously, he did not carry the Cobra in a pocket holster, nor did he only carry the Cobra in his pants pocket.

Whether the dime and chewing gum was fact or book writer's fiction I don't know but having a Cobra in a pocket,a Chief in an ankle holster,a holstered Model 10 on the left side and a K-38 on the right side is very true.

Jimmy always took his garbage out at night with a short barrel in his pocket and once he had to use it.That habit may have saved him from serious harm.

 

[njdet354]

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I met Bill Allard about 4 or 5 years ago at the NYC FBI range at Ft. Dix. He was carrying his Combat Commander that was built by the armorer from the Ohio National Guard. He could still out shoot just about everyone there.

 

[StakeOut]

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I met Bill Allard about 4 or 5 years ago at the NYC FBI range at Ft. Dix. He was carrying his Combat Commander that was built by the armorer from the Ohio National Guard. He could still out shoot just about everyone there.

I wish I had Bill's email so I could renew a friendship.

I probably did more things outside of work with Bill than Jimmy Cirillo.We first met while working in traffic around Shea Stadium,the former home of the Mets.

Speaking of Jimmy again I remember the many times he'd call and get me out of bed way before the sun came up on rainy days to hunt pheasants with .410 on Staten Island near the garbage dump in Great Kills Park.On rainy days there were far fewer bird watchers and dog walkers.

 

[njdet354]

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Private message me. I have an e-mail and phone number for Bill. He was selling Stake Out challenge coins also when he was at Ft. Dix. He also had a consulting business.

 

[serialsolver]

Are there any pictures of Mr. Cirillo's m10?

 

[epd925]

Stakeout, thanks for the info on Mr. Cirillo. I became a firearms instructor in '09 and quickly began reading any firearms/police combat books I could get my hands on. Luckily I stumbled onto Jim's books because I've read them numerous times now.

I'm now a State Trooper and collect patches as a hobby. You wouldn't happen to have any Stakeout Patches like your profile picture or the old SOU Trash can patch?

Again thanks for all the info.

 

[StakeOut]

Stakeout, thanks for the info on Mr. Cirillo. I became a firearms instructor in '09 and quickly began reading any firearms/police combat books I could get my hands on. Luckily I stumbled onto Jim's books because I've read them numerous times now.

I'm now a State Trooper and collect patches as a hobby. You wouldn't happen to have any Stakeout Patches like your profile picture or the old SOU Trash can patch?

Again thanks for all the info.

I'm sorry I don't have any,not even for myself.

The only person I can think of that might have Stake Out Unit patches is Bill Allard.I don't presently have his contact info.
The patch in my avatar I believe is still in use by the NYPD Emergency Service Unit.

The Stake Out Unit was under the Special Operations Command and the Emergency Service Unit

About 23 years ago I took a job teaching at a university in Korea that was only planned to be 1~2 years;I stayed for a full 20.Before departing I sold all my guns,gave away a lot of gear and memorabilia.No guns allowed for foreigners in Korea.Very few Koreans are allowed also.Left with only one suitcase.

Today is my 73rd birthday.Where have all the years gone?

 

[crazyphil]

As the old saying goes: "Time goes fast when your having fun".

 

[StakeOut]

As the old saying goes: "Time goes fast when your having fun".

I remember it as "Time Flies When You're Having Fun"

 

[P.44]

StakeOut
Happy birthday from Germany

P.44

 

[crazyphil]

I'll 2nd that Happy Birthday!

 

[Ohsheepdog]

Happy birthday!

 

[StakeOut]

Thanks guys for the warm words.

I must admit I've never read the Cirillo Books.I did read most of the Jordan book "No Second Place Winner" while in the SOU.

I did read the New York Magazine article and smiled at the passage about where I kept the bullet that hit my vest without revealing my name.

Since I've joined this forum in February a lot of lost memory of the years of working with Jimmy Cirillo and Bill Allard returned.Some of it plays like a movie in my mind as did the shootings the nights after they happened.Shaking loose of the mental replays at night while trying to sleep took a lot of time after each occurrence.

Things long lost are again fresh....the good and the bad.

I'd prefer to remember things as they really were without the writer added fluff(aka BS) but the fluff is what sells to paying customers that like to read that sort of stuff.

Stake Out work like a lot of police work is very boring for long stretches of time but gets really interesting very quickly at about 3AM when in front of your eyes there appears a person(s) with guns in hand and they're threatening bodily harm on a really scared for they're life civilian.

Except for a few super markets,banks and finance companies most stake outs were in mom and pop liquor stores,dry cleaners etc where the take was often less than 100 bucks.

 

[P.44]

Hope the good memories win...

P.44

 

[crazyphil]

Stakeout your description of the work on the SOU reminds me of when I
was a pilot. Hours and hours of boredom interrupted occasionally by a few
seconds of sheer horror.

 

[Ohsheepdog]

Crazy Phil, that's ALL law enforcement & FD!

 

[LOBO]

StakeOut,
Happy Birthday my friend!

 

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

In one of his books Cirillo said he used " two regular holsters" for his 4 inch M&Ps, he also said he carried a ppk in a "crotch holster". Did not indicate if he used a holster for the Colt he carried in his pocket.

Bryce probably used an S. D. Myres Threepersons style during his OKCPD and early FBI days. Several of his contemporaries were confirmed to have used those.
There is a Heiser holster, I believe it is their style 415, that is referred to as the FBI holster but never heard who designed it. It is a Threepeson style also. The only holster I know of attributed to an SA is the one designed by Hank Sloan.
Turnerriver or Larry Wack can probably add to or correct this.

The "Crotch Holster" for the PPK was in all likelihood made by Chic Gaylord, who was crafting them for all the metropolitan area narcs throughout NYC. It was one way to pack without risk of a "bump frisk" doing a buy and bust. What Cirillo needed or wanted one for is anyones guess. I don't imagine his squad worried about that much. When the music ended, it was pretty quiet.

Cheers;
Lefty

 

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

Thank you lawanorder. I wonder what "two regular holsters" were?
I read somewhere that Bryce did use Myres holster but the concealment holster he designed for the FBI covered the trigger guard.

Probably "Jay Pee" uniform holsters. It was common practice to use the service holster, even in plainclothes, cause you could conceal it with the fashions of the time and....cops were cheapskates....at least the honest ones!

Cheers;
Lefty

 

[Bell Charter Oak Holsters]

I also knew Cirillo. He was killed a very, very short distance from my home. We spoke often during his visits in later years at Dan Wesson in Norwich, NY when I was crafting their OEM gunleather. I was introduced to him on a street by fellow NYPD detective many years before and he said he was at that time working for Elizabeth Taylor as her bodyguard. She was on a Broadway production of some sort at the time. Wow, what a side job!

He was a good man, liked him every time we met.

Cheers;
Lefty