Judge Sides with NRA, Disqualifies Washington Gun Control Initiative

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Agreed. Donate until it hurts. I just upgraded my wife's NRA membership from annual to Life about a month ago and I also joined the 2nd Amendment Foundation as a Life Member this year...

...and I live in Washington State.

It's great to see us getting some high profile support from the national organizations. We do appreciate it!

Randy

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More on this issue:
NRA-ILA | NRA Wins Lawsuit in Washington State, Prevents I-1639 From Appearing on Ballot
"The Thurston County Superior Court today ruled in favor of the National Rifle Association and ordered a writ of mandamus to prevent I-1639 from appearing on the ballot. The judge agreed the signature sheets did not comply with state law – the font size was too small to be readable and didn't include strikethroughs."

On the other hand:
"The initiative proponents will likely appeal the decision to the state Supreme Court and we will continue to advocate on behalf of our law-abiding members in the Evergreen state."

So SCTM(SW) is right. Vigilance must be eternal.
The "victory" seems very technical and has nothing to do with the meat of the matter.

(I was born in Seattle (1949) and after 2nd grade moved to Pullman for another 7 years before finally landing in CheeseLand.
I am quite sure I carry a few atoms of Plutonium from Hanford around with me.)
 
rkwood said:
Agreed. Donate until it hurts. I just upgraded my wife's NRA membership from annual to Life about a month ago and I also joined the 2nd Amendment Foundation as a Life Member this year...

...and I live in Washington State.

It's great to see us getting some high profile support from the national organizations. We do appreciate it!

Randy

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"It's great to see us getting some high profile support from the national organizations."

Be nice if New Jerksey would get onto their radar. With the most recent changes our socially benevolent governor (koff, koff) Phil Murphy has so graciously bestowed upon us, we could use a little contentious intervention.
 
345sire said:
"It's great to see us getting some high profile support from the national organizations."

Be nice if New Jerksey would get onto their radar. With the most recent changes our socially benevolent governor (koff, koff) Phil Murphy has so graciously bestowed upon us, we could use a little contentious intervention.
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Isn’t NRA helping with the New Jersey carry permit and magazine ban cases?
 
Honestly, if you're interested in radical change in NJ, NY, etc, your best hope is the Supreme Court. Presuming we ever get the vacancies filled and also that they start taking gun control cases again.

My only fear is that a decision would be reached that reduced states' rights regarding Second Amendment issues. Good for me, not good for most of you guys.
 
The Washington State Supreme Court just ruled unanimously that it will be placed on the November ballot. It's clearly in violation of the law but they don't care. They're so corrupt.
 
Odd that one of the two biggest contributors has a collection of warplanes and tanks, and my 20yo won't be allowed to buy a Ruger 10/22.
 
Not exactly:
Washington Supreme Court puts gun-regulation measure I-1639 back on November ballot
http://https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/washington-supreme-court-puts-gun-regulations-measure-i-1639-back-on-november-ballot/
State law
“does not allow for pre-election judicial review of the form, process, substance, or constitutionality of an initiative petition,”
according to the order.

Needless to say this will be the same court that may decide the constitutionality of the law if it passes.
Let's hope SCOTUS gets filled out by then.
 
bushmaster1313 said:
Isn’t NRA helping with the New Jersey carry permit and magazine ban cases?
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If they are, I haven't seen the indicators of it. I have to try to spread myself out more into other sources to find out more.
Even Evan Nappens' outfit has been quiet about what progress is being made. Tells me to just wait before doing something with my +10 round mags for the moment.
 
"Y'all understand, this is just my opinion, right?"

Heaven forbid you exercise your 1st amendment rights to discuss the 2nd!
 
Here is more info from the NRA for those in the Spokane area of Washington state who are interested in doing something more than just talk about defeating this pile of legislative dung.
Join Washingtonians and the National Rifle Association for Freedom in making calls to urge voters to cast their ballots opposing Initiative 1639. With ballots already received by voters, we have added phone banking days for Monday, October 22nd, Tuesday, October 23rd, and Wednesday, October 24th.
We will be meeting at Sharp Shooting Indoor Range on the corner of Trent and Freya. If you plan on joining us for calls, please bring a smart device and a pair of headphones or bluetooth headset. If you don't have either of these things, please let me know ahead of time so we can accommodate you with a loaner device or headset.

When: Monday, October 22nd 3:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m.
Where: Sharp Shooting Indoor Range 1200 N Freya Way, Spokane, WA 99202

When: Tuesday, October 23rd 3:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m.
Where: Sharp Shooting Indoor Range 1200 N Freya Way, Spokane, WA 99202

When: Wednesday, October 24th 3:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m.
Where Sharp Shooting Indoor Range 1200 N Freya Way, Spokane, WA 99202

If you have any questions, or would like to know more about this event or other events happening in your area, please give me a call at (703) 708-4487, or email me at [email protected].

Yours in Freedom,

Ben Carpenter
(703) 708-4487
[email protected]
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I'm not going to tell people how to vote, but my posts here probably give you an idea. There was a time in my life that I had to make decisions that impacted others based on laws I didn't agree with, and have been an active voter ever since.

But, if we get lax and don't vote, we will be steamrolled in many states (and therefore by extension Federal level), by people who are currently fired up by non-2A issues that you and I may not have on our radar. Those elected by those voters are not likely our friends.

GET OUT AND VOTE. NO Matter what state you live in!! Early vote if that's what it takes to guarantee you show up! I'm taking my neighbors to do that next week, first day! Hope to pass you in the parking lot (virtually, of course).
 
Not to challenge your position, but have been wondering if the US will ever get enough states willing to change the 2nd Amendment? My understanding of what it takes to change an amendment is the following.

Altering the Constitution consists of proposing an amendment or changing an amendment, then subsequent ratification. Amendments or changes to amendments may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a convention of states called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures. It is then necessary that two-thirds of both the House and the Senate plus 3/4 of the states are needed to ratify new amendments or make changes to existing amendments.

My biggest fear has been the possibility that the Supreme Court could interpret the 2nd Amendment to NOT mean the unlimited right to bear arms. A court with activist judges could ultimately pose a larger threat than the legislative branch or states could ever muster??

I would love to hear if this is how things really work or am I missing something?
 
glowe said:
Not to challenge your position, but have been wondering if the US will ever get enough states willing to change the 2nd Amendment? My understanding of what it takes to change an amendment is the following.

Altering the Constitution consists of proposing an amendment or changing an amendment, then subsequent ratification. Amendments or changes to amendments may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a convention of states called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures. It is then necessary that two-thirds of both the House and the Senate plus 3/4 of the states are needed to ratify new amendments or make changes to existing amendments.

My biggest fear has been the possibility that the Supreme Court could interpret the 2nd Amendment to NOT mean the unlimited right to bear arms. A court with activist judges could ultimately pose a larger threat than the legislative branch or states could ever muster??

I would love to hear if this is how things really work or am I missing something?
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Gary,
Yes, this is a way things can work at the level of the written 2nd. What you are missing, as I see it, is that a legislature (at any level) that is anti-2A can create laws that allow the edges to be blurred until challenges and appeals overwhelm courts. Someone must pay the way for laws to be challenged, and there is more "anti" money than "pro" money.

I would rather see us vote in such a way that footholds they already have are lost, and that they gain no more.

The 2nd could easily be legislated and judicially interpreted into something very different from what we hope it should be and remain.
 
hoc9sw said:
...The 2nd could easily be legislated and judicially interpreted into something very different from what we hope it should be and remain.
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COULD be?!? I would say HAS BEEN.
The language of the 2nd clearly says SHALL not be INFRINGED (a.k.a. impaired, restricted, limited).
There are already something like 22 THOUSAND gun laws on the books that restrict, limit, impair or otherwise INFRINGE on the rights of law abiding gun owners.
The 2nd Amendment has already been legislatively and judicially interpreted as something different than what the founding fathers clearly intended.
The camel's nose is already in the tent - and most of the rest of the camel too IMO.
 
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