Judge upholds Massachusetts' ban on AR-15s

[M29since14]

With the exception of my over-under shotguns, just about every gun I own (and probably so for most everyone else) has its roots in a design originally made for or used by "the military." What is this man thinking?

Never mind. I know exactly what he's thinking. "I'm a little God. I can do this and get away with it."

 

[federali]

It's Not Semantics

Two phrases in the 2nd Amendment are subject to misinterpretation: "well-regulated" does not mean regulations as we know them today but meant "well-trained" when it was written. "Free state" meant a state of being rather than a geographic locality with borders.

If you outlaw firearms with military origins, there goes all our bolt actions, the beloved M1911, the .38 revolver, even the Colt SAA. Heck, single shots, pump action shotguns, and .22 target rifles.
Talk about a slippery slope.

 

[WCCPHD]

Two phrases in the 2nd Amendment are subject to misinterpretation: "well-regulated" does not mean regulations as we know them today but meant "well-trained" when it was written. "Free state" meant a state of being rather than a geographic locality with borders.

If you outlaw firearms with military origins, there goes all our bolt actions, the beloved M1911, the .38 revolver, even the Colt SAA. Heck, single shots, pump action shotguns, and .22 target rifles.
Talk about a slippery slope.

The slippery slope is their goal and the more slippery the better.

 

[BC38]

Until gun owners organize a large campaign like the left does and let their voices be heard, your just going to have to watch your rights erode.

Agree. We are losing the PR battle. The middle ground voters, these swing voters, are presented with one side of the debate. It is our responsibility to present the other side. It's time for action, because our inaction will cost us dearly.

Yeah, good luck organizing something like that.
Wanna' see the reaction when you try?
Check out this thread
http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/554550-rally-your-state-capital.html?554550=#post139983860

Try to rally people and our very own Debbie Downers and Negative Nancys will quickly squelch any and all enthusiasm or momentum you manage to get going.

IMO, we're losing and its going to continue - due largely to inaction and attitudes within our ranks.

 

[Fishinfool]

Yeah, good luck organizing something like that.
Wanna' see the reaction when you try?
Check out this thread
http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/554550-rally-your-state-capital.html?554550=#post139983860

Try to rally people and our very own Debbie Downers and Negative Nancys will quickly squelch any and all enthusiasm or momentum you manage to get going.

IMO, we're losing and its going to continue - due largely to inaction and attitudes within our ranks.

Unfortunately, this is a correct statement. The average "responsible" gun owner is just that, and likely has a job, family resposibilities, money and time constraints, and is likely to just join the NRA (maybe), and let them do the heavy lifting. Heck, that alone would probably work, considering roughly 1/3 of the population owns a firearm. But, most firearms owners are too apathetic to even do that.

You don't have to organize a march or protest to be effective. In my case, I support (join) the NRA. I write letters to my elected officials and local TV stations and press letting them know my views. I attempt to introduce and teach as many new shooters as I can into the shooting sports. Introduced one adult and two kids (our future) into the shooting sports last year.

It all adds up, and makes a difference, and is not very hard to do.

Larry

 

[paulh]

But the poll only has 728 people questioned. Far too little people surveyed to be considered a good poll.

But it doesn't matter since that's what's in the papers and on the local TV news.

 

[touchoneoff]

Yeah, but coming out of that state? This does not surprise me.

 

[rtquig]

I graduated from the University that did the poll. Not that I follow what the school does, but I have never seen a poll of theirs before.

Most people just don't understand NJ. North Jersey and South Jersey are as different as the Yankees and Confederates. Heck the Mason Dixion line when first drawn was less than 4 miles south of me.

 

[TTSH]

I am assuming that this "ruling" is being appealed to the next highest court?

Believe it or not, that isn't a certainty. It's being looked at as we speak. The particular case is a bit more convoluted & complicated than one might otherwise suspect from the joyful MSM headlines.

First Circuit is unlikely to overturn
Supreme Court is unlikely to hear the case

That wouldn't surprise anyone. And yet a someday in the future Supreme Court decision is what it's going to take to end this anti-2A insanity.

 

[VonZipper]

What does this do to S&W manufacturing?

 

[hoosierone]

These judges take an oath to uphold the Constitution. We need capable elected leaders who will move to impeach those who betray their oath of office.

 

[TTSH]

What does this do to S&W manufacturing?

Nothing immediately. The powers that control the state (our rabidly anti-2A AG lady in particular) may be anti-gunowner, but they are smart enough not to put a large manufacturing employer and cash cow out of business.

However, in the long run, we can all hope that it means the mothership will move some or all of its manufacturing out of MA and to a still free state.

 

[Wise_A]

Remember when I was laughing at guys making GRR-MUH-RIGHTS arguments?

Yeah, that. They're a dead-end.

Talk about the ineffectiveness of the law. Talk about the ambiguous definition of an "assault weapon", about the number of non-AR-15s that get lumped in, and the lack of a difference between a totally-legal Ruger Mini-14 and an AR-15. Talk about the criminalization of law-abiding citizens. Talk about the de facto confiscation of private property by the government when law-abiding citizens are told that they cannot sell that property, or even pass it on to their children.

That makes sense to people who aren't gun people.

But hey, it's Massachusetts. Like many states, a completely lost cause once we gave up on the idea of balancing rural and urban communities at the state level.

Fun fact: we also gave away any hope of balancing government against the whims of public opinion when we ratified the 17th amendment.

 

[LostintheOzone]

I'm afraid that ruling will stand. That's been the situation in all of the lower federal courts if my memory serves me.

What it amounts to is a unanimous declaration by the federal courts that the states have a right to pass legislation that they deem appropriate as a matter of public safety. The supreme court obviously agrees because they won't even hear a case regarding "assault weapons".

I don't expect that situation to change anytime soon. We are probably going to get a state AWB next year. We got a UBC a few years ago.

West coast progressive encroachment. It seems to infect large metro areas like a plague.