JUST bought this 696-1 3 inch .44 spl

I have 696 no dash I bought about 1 1/2 years ago for $600.00. I have a pet handload that is very accurate from my gun and very mild to shoot of 5.5 grains of Unique behind a 240 lead SWC. My gun is identical to Ladder 13's a couple of posts up.Even has the same stocks although I sure like the stocks Taroman has on his up top in posts. As stated previously the thin forcing cone is the issue. I've not seen any 696s personally with cracked forcing cones and I sometimes wonder if its just speculation and or internet mumbo jumbo. You will love your 696 more and more as you shoot it. Low recoil, big bullet whats not to like?
 
After 64 years I have decided that beating up my wrists with "Big Dog" loads is absolutely for the birds (and the young among us). My pet load in every 44 Special handgun is 7.0 of Unique behind a 245 Cast SWC. This load will shoot through a full sized whitetail side to side from a 4 inch gun and probably would do it from my 696 as well. As a plus it shoots very well in every 44 Special I have tried it in. The Special is just that Special so why try to make it a Magnum.

--- Chip King ---
 
The 44 Special is a great revolver cartridge, approximates 45 ACP and I don't have to pick up the durn brass!
 
Aloha,

Anytime you want to get rid of it, let me know.

I Want/Need a second one for the Wife.

I like mine better than my M-24.
 
I have just brought my 696 no dash home this week, As soon as I can get to the range and shoot it I'll put it in service as my carry and nightstand gun. The plastic gun let over from my police days will go to the safe and retire too.
 
I found this article and will use this as my guide when I start to reload for my 696.

The .44 Special Revisited

If you don't want to read the whole thing he sums it up this way.

While the performance of the large-framed .44 Special revolvers was optimized years ago with Elmer's and Skeeter's loads built around 250 grain bullets, the smaller, lighter .44 Special revolvers popular today are better served with smaller, lighter bullets. While the 180-190 grain wadcutters delivered poor accuracy in the polygonal rifling of the S&W 696, the 200-230 grain flat-pointed bullets at about 950 fps are an excellent fit for the dainty little S&W 696, and make dandy field loads. With bullets of sufficient bearing surface, this little gun delivers superb accuracy. This is .45 ACP level of performance, with revolver accuracy, safety, and reliability, and Cramer 8A and the LBT 230 WFN provide all the meplat you could ever want (with no worries about feeding reliability!). The .44 Special is a cartridge deserving of being revisited, and it rewards those that do so.

Polygonal rifling????????? Wonder where he got that idea?
 
Georgiastonewall, welcome to the forum!! You got a fine start with our shared "addiction". Now remember what Gunny says

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Mike, the 696 does indeed have "polygonal" rifling but not like you probably think. The walls of the grooves are not perpindicular to the lands. It's not straight cut rifling like the original guns used. I think S&W started using this rifling on some of their guns around 95 or 96.
 
Well, Taurus must have Superior engineering and metallurgy then S&W as there Tracker 5 shot revolver is made in .44 Magnum. It is a medum frame close enough to a S&W "L" frame.
So much for it can't be done.

BTW, you are stating that a S&W revolver chambered in a cartrage that they developed over 100 years ago is unsafe with a load that has been around about 70 years.(7.5 Unique with a KSWC 250 gr.)
Amazing............:(

Chief,
Isn't the new model 69 an L frame in .44 mag?
The loads you recommended would probably cause excessive wear but would be very uncomfortable to fire as well. The load I shoot in my 696 is a 200 gr RNFP bullet at 825 fps, the same velocity as the Speer 200 gr GD. The recoil is not bad and the load shoot well for me. Dean
 
"Chief,
Isn't the new model 69 an L frame in .44 mag?
The loads you recommended would probably cause excessive wear but would be very uncomfortable to fire as well. The load I shoot in my 696 is a 200 gr RNFP bullet at 825 fps, the same velocity as the Speer 200 gr GD. The recoil is not bad and the load shoot well for me. Dean "

This is what S&W has to say of there new revolver

First L-Frame in .44 Magnum®
• Full Top Strap and Barrel Serration
• Ball-Detent Lock-Up
• 2-Piece Barrel

Smith & Wesson L-Frame revolvers are built to suit the demands of the most serious firearms enthusiast. The L-Frame has a strong, durable frame and barrel built for continuous Magnum® usage. As police officers and hunters will attest, this firearm is made to withstand heavy use.

ALL BACKED BY OUR SMITH & WESSON LIFETIME SERVICE POLICY.


Looks like I was right.
The only difference between a .44Spl brass & a .44 Magnum is .125.
 
Chief,
You are right about the difference in the case length, but that is not the only difference between the two guns. Many feel the weak link of the 696 is the portion of the barrel that threads through the frame is very thin. I have looked at a model 69 at my lgs, and that portion of the barrel is much thicker than the same area of my 696. The model 69 probably has a longer cylinder. They cylinder in my 696 is too short to be chambered for .44 magnum and use all common cartridge lengths in that caliber. I don't know for sure, but there could be a difference in the heat treatment of the two guns. Dean
 
I traded my like new .357 Mtn Gun for a no dash a few months ago when it turned up in a LGS. Hated to sell my Mtn Gun but wanted the 696. I have only fired it once.
 
Thank you Fred. It sounds like I had better stick to my .41 for the woods or find a 4" or shorter .44 magnum.

Is the .44spl a cult chambering only? Is it at all desireable? I'm in no way having remorse, but it sounds like you are saying that the .44spl doesn't really do anything that the other more popular chamberings can't do just as well.

The introduction of the .357 Magnum way back in 1935 kind of eased the door closed on the .44 Special. Not so long ago the shooting world was down to just one "factory" .44 chambering in the Charter Arms Bulldog, along with a host of out of production S&W's. With modern metallurgy the .44Spl was a good fit into a smallish frame, 5 shot CC piece, and tosses a factory standar 246 grain LRN which certainly set it ahead of the .38 Spl snubbies. With the rise of the "big bore" craze came a resurgence of interest in the .44 Spl and special runs started appearing, but most people had moved on to the .44 Magnum as their "staple .44" and there wasn't much need or interest in a seperate, "special only" chambering. S&W started bringing out lighter versions of the Magnum which helped to stiffle handloaders from getting creative with the .44 Spl as has been the case with .44 Magnum "reduced loads," and with the .45 ACP and .45 Colt.

Even now, no sooner did S&W build an L frame, 5 shot, compact .44 Spl, they turn around and chamber the .44 Mag into the exact same size gun! Well, if the choice is a 300-ish lb-ft .44 Spl load in an L-frame, or an 800-ish lb-ft .44 Mag load which will MOST people grab? Sure there are a tiny number of improved performance loads for the Spl...barely, but considering that most handloaders will load down from full house magnum loads to something still more potent than the .44 Spl, their isn't much fervor to develop hotter loads that bring the Spl up to meet the Magnum.

The Bulldog's success was stuffing a thick-bodied round into a compact revolver (and CA hasn't strayed from that successful formula) which basically competes in the .38 Spl arena which creates the perception of it being "powerful," yet when the .44 Spl moves into the world of .45ACP/.45Colt chambered revolvers built heavy enough to accept "warmish" loads that double the .44 Spl's power, and of course lightweight M29's such as the Mountain gun that can handle much heavier loads that any warmed up .44 Spl, you see the old .44 Spl has simply become "irrelevant" to all but the dedicated firearms enthusiast/collector, someone who wants something "different" to play with, or...novices who don't know where the .44 Spl really lies within the convoluted spectrum of handgun cartridge "power." Having said that, Underwood builds a 255grain, Keith style LSWC load rated at 1,000 fps/566lb-ft which ain't too bad for urban defense...well ahead of any .38 Spl, on par with and snubbie fired .357 Mag yet delivering with a much heavier slug, and a tad more potent than factory +P.45ACP which means it's a worthwhile choice for those so inclined. As for proof against bear attack...well, anything is possible, but I would not expect to make a good showing against a large, dangerous animal with any handgun cartridge that doesn't provide at least 700lb-ft KE with a heavy, non-expanding bullet for caliber, and I personally feel 1,000lb-ft is the minimum.

Just my "buck-2-98" worth.
 
Yes, I have wanted a Smith .44 Special for quite a while. Not really interested in a Magnum. (would not turn 1 down!) My closest solution, was a 625 JM. Love this gun! Soooo I will keep looking. Bob
 
Old thread. But wanted to add, I too think 8.5 grains of unique is a bad idea. Skeeter and Elmer were shooting 7.5. Manuals list 6.5 as max. But many think that is for old guns.


I have been curious about the thin forcing cone concerns The 69 is a lot thicker. But it is rated for 44 magnum.

I think the 69 would be a great gun with hot 44 specials. I have been tossing and turning on it for a long time. Is the extra inch worth it?
 
I just got a 696 no dash last week with original box and papers for a bit more than your 696-1.You'll like shooting the 696 and reloading for it.

Sellers on GB are asking $1000+.

Buying all my components cost me about $5.60 a box of 50 to reload.

I load a 240gr hard cast SWC over 4.0gr of Trail Boss and an S&B LP primer.

I also have a nickle 21-4.
 
I have been reloading 6.2-7 of unique. Going to do a big batch, probably all 6.5. They do need some speed to prevent key holing. I did some with 2400 too. But I am saving that for 357 and 44 magnums. I got a but of unique to use up.

I carry it with buffalo bore.

Got a Simply Rugged pancake for carrying it.
 
My 696 load is the same one I use in my N frames - 6.5g W231 under a 250g swc.

I figure it to be @ 850fps, got to chrono it one day.

It can easily take the Skeeter load of 7.5g Unique with the same bullet.

Loading a 250g 44Spl 850 to 900fps equals the 45 Colt exactly, which in my research exceeds a 45acp and makes it able to do 90% of whatever you need a handgun to do in the field.
 
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