Just curious, how many carry spare ammunition?

There is no doubt that a reload for my jmag-frame makes a lot of sense. I don't do it. When "in doubt," I carry my Glock 26. I used to do a lot better than that, but environment (heat and social) tend to make me more lax. No excuses.
Sonny
 
Well, I've got company anyway although I'm not bragging. I never (seldom) carry a reload with my j-frame and wouldn't even consider it unless I was going to spend the weekend in Miami.
Jeff Cooper, who I met many years ago in Paulden, once said that the most rounds he ever heard of that were used in one gunfight was five rounds in a 7-round magazine.
Bruce Nelson was once asked whether he should consider carrying a P-35 due to its high-capacity mag. He answered: "Sure, if you plan to miss a lot."
I carry daily under a t-shirt with shorts in hot Florida and a reload is ...well, I don't do it. Sonny
Sonny, I suspect that the vast majority that "actually carry" every day do not pack any extras. There seems to be a smugness in a few posters that if you don't; you don't quite get it. Sounds "macho" while you're pounding the keyboard to say this & that; but if you know yourself, trained with your carry piece; no extras required....Giving examples of the F.B.I. shootout; nice, but for LEO's....Get it straight...
 
If I'm just tooling around my town then I just have my one gun with out a back up mag. If I'm going to work than I would have at least a back up mag and maybe a BUG with me.
 
Sonny, I suspect that the vast majority that "actually carry" every day do not pack any extras. There seems to be a smugness in a few posters that if you don't; you don't quite get it. Sounds "macho" while you're pounding the keyboard to say this & that; but if you know yourself, trained with your carry piece; no extras required....Giving examples of the F.B.I. shootout; nice, but for LEO's....Get it straight...
No. Running into someone like Michael Platt isn't just "something for LEOs". He robbed armored cars and banks and plenty of non LEOs were exposed to his violence. IIRC some didn't suvive. A private citizen's bullets are no more effective than a cop's and some people are tough as hell to stop. Two friends of mine, in two different incidents, in two different wars ran into bullet sponges. Look, Big Foot, if you don't want to carry any extras, just do like Sonny and say you don't want to. I can totally respect that. I'm sure most of us that "pack heavy" do, but saying that some of us are "macho while we're pounding our keyboards" is BS. We've just decided to prepare for a knock down drag out fight with a better than average, or multiple adversarys. It's your *, but I've never felt burdened in any way whatsoever by a speedstrip. They really aren't that heavy. :rolleyes:
 
Generally I carry a 442 only, sometimes my Seecamp 380 also. In the summer I like wearing shorts and t-shirts, and find it very difficult to carry more than 1 gun. Hats off to those who carry 2, 3 or more guns. I'm not into Hawaiin shirts, or their equivalent.
 
No, I don't carry extra. I guess my world is a little different than the world of those that require two guns, fifty rounds, and three knives. But that's just fine with me.
 
I don't generally carry extra mags, but I do carry a 10rd WC in my 1911. If 11 rounds of Ranger T doesn't stop it, I'm screwed anyway.
 
I don't generally carry extra mags, but I do carry a 10rd WC in my 1911. If 11 rounds of Ranger T doesn't stop it, I'm screwed anyway.

Part of the malfunction clearance drill for an auto often involves the insertion of a fresh mag. Even the best guns with good quality ammunition can sometimes malfunction at a really bad time. Even if one doesn't run into a human attacker that doesn't want to go down, or multiple attackers, that still leaves the possibility that one's own weapon may malfunction. That's becoming more of a concern as late since even the major ammo maker's QC seems to have gone down a bit in an effort to fill back orders.
 
Part of the malfunction clearance drill for an auto often involves the insertion of a fresh mag. Even the best guns with good quality ammunition can sometimes malfunction at a really bad time. Even if one doesn't run into a human attacker that doesn't want to go down, or multiple attackers, that still leaves the possibility that one's own weapon may malfunction. That's becoming more of a concern as late since even the major ammo maker's QC seems to have gone down a bit in an effort to fill back orders.

and that's when the BUG get's it's time to shine spare mags can be a good thing but can take that one second too long
 
I carry a speed strip in my pocket and 50 rds in my console, like already has been said if 5 in the gun and 5 more in my pocket don't get me out , I'm in too deep of **** anyhow.
 
Gatorfarmer:

It seems that those of us that advocate carrying extra guns and ammo are at times simply voices crying in the wilderness. I am absolutely astonished at the fatalistic attitudes of some CCW licensees, who feel that if they run out of the ammo in their primary gun, so be it, they are resigned to die. If they are that nonchalant about their own survival, I hope to never hire these people to work for me. I suppose I shouldn't be too shocked though, as this is likely just another form of natural selection.
 
Some of these replies really make me laugh. Obviously, no training in PD or CQC. Citing one example of some sociopath is going to make you carry extra ammo or a B.U.G. BTW, in my state, only 1 weapon can be concealed.
There is NOT ONE documented case of a CHL holder who was involved in any firefight where the results even remotely had anything to do with the amount of ammo he carried. If anything, the argument of the proficiency of the holder and caliber might have more relevance.
Now, if I was living or had to do business in Gary, Ind., (my hometown) or Detroit or DC, I might consider a larger caliber weapon. The notion that one would inadvertently drop a mag, weapon jam,in an extended shoot-out shows the immaturity of the holder and has no idea of what to do in such situations. I don't live in a Walter Mitty world of "shoot-out" fantasies! You probably shouldn't be carrying a weapon, that is if you do at all..This is not the "Streets of Laredo" with J.W. Hardin staring you down. You can carry as much ammo as you want; but don't make it seem like the "more the better", mine is "bigger than yours", mentality; it leads to nowhere...Be proficient in whatever you have and seek Cover!
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I carry a spare mag for my Glock or a spare speed loader for the Smith. Does this make me someone who lives in a fantasy worl of getting into big shootouts? No. I have been in big drawnout shootouts before and can't say that I want to do it again. However there is another deployment coming up next year. I carry a spare mag for the Glock because I know that a mag can fail at a bad time. I have seen it happen and I have seen people get seriously hurt because of it. I know that most of us carry civilian weapons that don't see the use and abuse of military weapons. That does not mean that somthing won't fail. I know alot of states don't allow for a second gun to be carried, but spare ammo never hurt anything. The way I see it, is your life worth not carrying spare ammo or a spare mag?


snakeman
 
When I carried daily in the course of business, there was always at least one speed strip somewhere on my person. In fact from time to time I still drag out an old winter coat and find some 158 gr. Nyclad +P hollowpoints. They fit both my primary and bug at the time.

Now, of course, as a resident of Illinois, I never carry concealed.
 
I carry two speedloaders on my duty belt for my
model 28 .357, two speed strips, plus a New York
reload in my boot - a M36 no dash.

When I just carry the 36, one speed strip.
 
No, I don't carry extra. I guess my world is a little different than the world of those that require two guns, fifty rounds, and three knives. But that's just fine with me.
Actually we do live in the same world. How you choose to negotiate it is your choice, and I in no way hold it against you.
 
Now, if I was living or had to do business in Gary, Ind., (my hometown) or Detroit or DC, I might consider a larger caliber weapon.
You're right. Those are the only place that bad shootouts occur. Everywhere else, there are good shootouts.

Since extra ammo is of not needed, I'm going to challenge you to carry a single shot pistol. If that's not enough, how much is? Two rounds? Three? Inquiring minds want to know. My crystal ball is broken.
 
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Some of these replies really make me laugh. Obviously, no training in PD or CQC. Citing one example of some sociopath is going to make you carry extra ammo or a B.U.G. BTW, in my state, only 1 weapon can be concealed.
There is NOT ONE documented case of a CHL holder who was involved in any firefight where the results even remotely had anything to do with the amount of ammo he carried. If anything, the argument of the proficiency of the holder and caliber might have more relevance.
Now, if I was living or had to do business in Gary, Ind., (my hometown) or Detroit or DC, I might consider a larger caliber weapon. The notion that one would inadvertently drop a mag, weapon jam,in an extended shoot-out shows the immaturity of the holder and has no idea of what to do in such situations. I don't live in a Walter Mitty world of "shoot-out" fantasies! You probably shouldn't be carrying a weapon, that is if you do at all..This is not the "Streets of Laredo" with J.W. Hardin staring you down. You can carry as much ammo as you want; but don't make it seem like the "more the better", mine is "bigger than yours", mentality; it leads to nowhere...Be proficient in whatever you have and seek Cover!
Actually, I find your oddly irate posting to be the only one worthy of amusement, but you seem incorrect on several points that are worth correcting. Some of the respondents that you somewhat mock are former LE and Flop Shank, if I recall correctly, was trained as an infantryman and responsible for training other infantry in skill at arms.

Anyway, some things that you seem confused about -

The first involves clearing a malfunction in an auto. One drops the mag purposefully, not accidentally, to clear certain malfunctions. A surprisingly large number of problems are magazine related and other jams that aren't per se mag related are only going to be expediently cleared by dropping the mag.

However, there have been cases where people have indeed drawn their auto only to have the magazine drop to the ground as a result of the mag release having been accidentally activated. Again, rather than stand there looking confused or foolish, the generally accepted drill is to ram a fresh magazine home (from behind cover if at all possible).

For more on malfunctioning guns and shootouts, here's an old installment of the Ayoob files :
The Ayoob files: when your gun jams in a firefight - Massad Ayoob | American Handgunner | Find Articles at BNET

In general no one knows what has or hasn't happened in shoot outs involving armed citizens. No entity - none, zero, zip, nada - keeps track of them on a national basis in terms of compiling any reliable statistics. Some, for various reasons, are never even reported. Among those that have been reported, there are indeed cases where armed citizens had to reload, use suppressive fire, multiple guns etc.

The first case that comes to mind is an old one. When Charles Whitman failed to control his anger management issues and climbed the tower at UTA to start shooting folks, his fellow Texans down on the ground took a dim view of this. Numerous armed citizens retrieved their personal weapons and returned fire, helping to keep Whitman pinned. (A key concept of suppressive fire - rounds are not wasted when they help pin the other guy, reduce his accuracy of fire, make him keep his head down, etc. )

Another prominent case took place in the early 90s. My wife tossed my gigantic stack of old American Rifleman back issues, but it was covered there and in the other gun mags at the time. It was note worthy because the AWB with its ten round magazine limit had just become law. As best as I can recall it happened in Texas. An older gentleman was coming back from the firing range and had two hi cap 9mm pistols with him, a Sig P226 and a CZ 75. On his drive back, he came upon a wounded LEO who was under fire. The good Samaritan dragged the officer to cover and started shooting with his two 9mms. I remember the rounds fired were something like 46, as he had to empty both of them, and then either reloaded or used the downed officer's gun.

Another case would be that of jeweler Lance Thomas who survived a number of gunbattles. He chose to rely on multiple guns -http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_167_28/ai_110457294/pg_2/

Then there was a guy named Beckwith, who ran a gunshop. In one incident he used a full auto S&W Model 76 and in another he had to reload his AR 15 *and* use the SMG. See The Ayoob files: when your gun jams in a firefight - Massad Ayoob | American Handgunner | Find Articles at BNET

Our friend FerFal in Argentina meanwhile writes about shoot outs there involving hundreds of rounds fired. While America hasn't sunk to Argentine levels of economic collapse (yet), Gabe Suarez certainly thought that lessons learned there were applicable and wrote about such when he returned from teaching classes there. (Suarez and some others actually suggest that one ought keep what amounts to a full "battle rattle" set at home for various and sundry emergencies btw, including carbines, rifle plates and blow out kits. He was a former SWAT officer, and currently a trainer, not someone lacking in experience or prone to violent fantasies I'd think.)

Criminals, btw, don't confine themselves to certain areas. Thanks to the wonderous invention of the automobile, they are free to get into other areas. For examples of "safe" areas seeing horrific crimes, see the recent case of the couple who adopted many mentally handicapped children being murdered in their own camera filled house. Also google "Wichita Massacre". In fact, nice areas are sometimes better picking grounds for criminals for the simple reason that people have better things to steal and are unlikely to be as hardbitten as some ghetto dwellers.

The only macho posturing that I've seen is on your part, with suggestions that you're apparently so proficient that you don't need a reload. Strange. Perhaps you ought open your own training school or some such, since pretty much all the trainers that I'm aware of suggest carrying spare ammo, possibly a BUG, and a flashlight. (Mas. Ayoob writes a great many columns on the subject of why spare ammo and BUGs can be life savers.)

I don't particularly rely, admittedly, on what most people do. Most people do not carry guns. In shall issue states, perhaps 5 percent of the population that is eligible bothers to get a permit, and perhaps only half of them carry all the time. Your arguements are actually close to anti gun arguements in general, since you seem to suggest that anyone carrying spare ammo is ignorant, untrained, or possibly crazy. That seems oddly like what the Brady bunch says about gun carriers in general. (You aren't by any chance the Federal agent who shot himself in the leg with his Glock after the "no one is professional enough but me" speech?)

Where you are somewhat correct, is that some strategies and carry systems are indeed guilty of a certain amount of wishful thinking. I include the carry of speed strips with J frames in the "forlorn hope" category, since - while better than nothing and I'll take a slim chance over none - they might not be terribly useful in the real world.
 
Speed strips are for when the shooting is over and the opportunity presents itself to reload. I carry reloads for that purpose alone and agree with Gator. At the same time a speed strip is better than nothing and may get you out of hot water. They weigh next to nothing, so there needs to be a good reason not to carry one IMO (and yes, Because "I don't want to ever do more than just grab a gun and go", is still valid. It's your decision).
 
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Speed strips are for when the shooting is over and the opportunity presents itself to reload. I carry reloads for that purpose alone and agree with Gator. At the same time a speed strip is better than nothing and may get you out of hot water. They weigh next to nothing, so there needs to be a good reason not to carry one IMO (and yes, Because "I don't want to ever do more than just grab a gun and go", is still valid. It's your decision).

I hate to seem like I was knocking them too much. I'm not. I just think one needs to be realistic about what they're likely most useful for. As you say, for those times when a fight might not be over (the classic example is the robber who's buddy was out front "keeping the motor running") and such they're useful for reloading when the chance presents itself. For trying to refill a J frame when/if five wasn't enough and the other guy might still be shooting... probably not the best thing in the world, though infinitely better than loose rounds in a pocket full of who knows what, a box of ammo in the sock drawer at home, scrambling for rocks off the ground/a can of Pepsi to throw, etc.

Speaking of grab a gun and go, to bolster the case against, there's the case alluded to here by John Lott in an old op ed piece FOXNews.com - Good Samaritan Gun Use - Opinion that took place in 2005. The bad guy shooter was wearing soft body armor with a flak jacket over top for good measure, granted not your average situation, but it certainly happened. A good Samaritan armed citizen grabbed - apparently - just his pistol and engaged the bad guy. None of his rounds penetrated the armor, and some accounts state the good Samaritan was killed with an empty gun before he could try for something other than a center of mass shot ( I can't find a news account one way or the other since as Lott observes, the role of the armed citizen wasn't emphasized at all in many stories about the event). To his credit, the good Samaritan did draw the shooter's attention and probably helped save lives.

The bad guy shooter was armed with an AK in addition to wearing armor so it certainly takes a hypothetical "worst case" situation out of the realm of the fantastic and into the realm of "it happened". (Suarez and others take the concept further by delving into the experience of the Izzies in dealing with the sort of terror attacks promised to take place on American soil, but not yet manifested that would look a lot like what happened in Mumbai. That's probably a seperate subject, but worth noting since Ayoob and others have stressed that armed citizens and off duty LEOs alike might want to keep the possibility of such happening in mind as plausible.)
 

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