Just picked up a M&P15-22 Pistol

WilsonFlyer said:
Why would you WANT a SBR to begin with? I can find all kinds of articles about how to do it but why would one do it? What's the point?
Click to expand...

All sorts of reasons. You will always have folks do things simply because they can. Then you will have folks doing so because it looks cool. Then you will have folks that do so for a specific reason. Could be they need the short rifle for concealment issues. I personally go SBR on my 15-22 & AR due to the fact I shoot suppressed. The extra length & weight of the suppressor is a bit bothersome to me, so I prefer shorter barrels. My 300 Blackout barrel is 9" long & my 15-22 is 11". This brings both guns, with suppressors attached, back to carbine length, which I prefer.

Barrel length has little to do with accuracy but everything to do with velocity. From what I understand, the 5.56 round needs 20" of barrel length to get to maximum velocity while the 300 Blackout only needs 9". So with a Blackout, all that extra barrel length adds mostly nothing but weight. With a 15-22, if you cut the barrel to 4.5", that reduces the velocity enough that high velocity ammo stays subsonic. That is a big reason for going SBR on a 15-22... especially when shooting suppressed.
 
You can have all the components to build an SBR with out having an SBR so long as you have legal use for such components. See ATF ruling 2011-4. What you don't want to have is a pistol and a stock only, there would be no legal use for these components other than making an unregistered NFA item and you would be charged with constructive intent to build a unregistered NFA item (SBR). On the other hand you can have an AR pistol with a carbine receiver extension (legal), a 16 inch upper and a stock. Change that pistol to a rifle and back to a pistol at will so long as the short barrel and stock are never on the lower at the same time and your stock is always kept with the 16 inch upper. You would have a legal use for all components. Classifications are first a pistol always a pistol, first a rifle always a rifle. You buy a pistol you can change it back and forth, you buy a rifle it must always stay a rifle unless you register it as an SBR and pay your tax.
 
Are you sure on that Headcase? I understood that the moment you put a stock on the receiver, it became a rifle for life.
 
shawnr5 said:
Are you sure on that Headcase? I understood that the moment you put a stock on the receiver, it became a rifle for life.
Click to expand...

Read ATF Ruling 2011-4. It is based on a court case with Contender, but the ruling applies to all, not just Contender. The quotes at the end of the are not just the ATF being nice because they want to, they are restating what the court said.

Pistol to rifle to pistol is OK:
The Court said:
Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when a pistol is attached to a part or parts designed to convert the pistol into a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and the parts are later unassembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol).
Click to expand...

Originally a rifle only to pistol is not OK
The Court said:
Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle. Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA.
Click to expand...



wilsonflyer said:
It seems to me from my brief reading that it would be illegal just to OWN and have TOGETHER these two guns in the same household, even as assembled from the factory, unless one already had the tax stamp and approval.
Click to expand...

And why you can have both guns together and not be in danger of contructive intent:
The Court said:
Held, a firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C.
5845(a)(3), is made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a waythat they:

(a) Serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length (e.g., a receiver, an attachable shoulder stock, and barrel of less than 16 inches in length)
Click to expand...

Since you have at least one useful purpose other than making an illegal firearm, you are OK. If you actually put the components in an illegal configuration, get ready for black helicopters.
 
If the ATF is to the point of charging you with constructive possession you probably have bigger things to worry about then that.
 
telero said:
Read ATF Ruling 2011-4. It is based on a court case with Contender, but the ruling applies to all, not just Contender. The quotes at the end of the are not just the ATF being nice because they want to, they are restating what the court said.

Pistol to rifle to pistol is OK:


Originally a rifle only to pistol is not OK






And why you can have both guns together and not be in danger of contructive intent:


Since you have at least one useful purpose other than making an illegal firearm, you are OK. If you actually put the components in an illegal configuration, get ready for black helicopters.
Click to expand...

Thanks, Telero. Sometimes I'm happy to be wrong.
 
I finally sucked it up and purchased one of these last night. I'm embarrassed to say what I gave for it, but suffice it to say it's just another pony in a very large stable of S&W M&Ps and an investment so I felt obligated to continue the completion of the fold.

Having said that... The one I bought has what looks like a full rail on it. I think he put the Tacticool conversion on it so he could do that. This causes it to look like (in the pictures. I don't have the gun yet) the barrel is way up in the hand guard. He had a can on it so it was fine with him. I'm going to buy/submit for my can as soon as it's in my hands. I've been toying with the idea for a couple of years anyway.

I know it's going to be a while before my stamp comes back and I actually get my can. Does anybody have a set of original rails for this rascal or know how I can get my hands on a set? I hate to shoot it the way it is, and I'm pretty sure it's not going to just sit in one of the safes peacefully until I get my suppressor. :D

I can't even find a parts list at S&W. It's almost as if it never existed! Anybody know how I can get a rail? Can I call S&W and order one saying I broke mine? I'd be more than willing to pay a reasonable cost for one if somebody has a set they don't need anymore.

Thanks!
 
Sorry I can't help with getting the parts you need. You'd likely need the short handguard and an original barrel nut. Or a full size factory rail that you cut down. You might consider getting a faux suppressor to save a little money and time tracking those down. If you really want the originals, happy hunting :)
 
telero said:
Sorry I can't help with getting the parts you need. You'd likely need the short handguard and an original barrel nut. Or a full size factory rail that you cut down. You might consider getting a faux suppressor to save a little money and time tracking those down. If you really want the originals, happy hunting :)
Click to expand...

Yea. That was my first thought but most of the faux suppressors I've seen claim to not make the barrel any longer. I can't seem to find anything that actually "sticks out" and makes it extend. All I can find are "shrouds." Maybe I'm looking the wrong thing?

Got any links? That would actually be better (my original thinking) since I wouldn't have to change anything that I Was ultimately going to change back anyway.
 
Last edited:
WilsonFlyer,
I have my 15-22P set up the exact same way. I took a 15-22 rifle hand guard and cut it to about 7 1/2". This leaves 2 1/2" of my Outback IID stick out of the hand guard. Since I swap the can back and forth between my 15-22P, 15-22 rifle, and a Sig Mosquito; I got a fake can to keep on the 15-22P when the real can isn't mounted. Just go to Gemtech and order the inert display Outback IID can for $35.
 
Well I sold the pistol.
I was at the range and I had someone ask me if I wanted to sell it. After a little bit of going back in forth, I let it go for $700.
I've since ordered a GSG-5 pistol from CDNN on sale foe $249. That will be much easier to make into a SBR because there are simple bolt on stocks available.
The profit on the M&P15-22P paid for my stamp and most of the stock.
This is what the GSG-5 will look like when I add the stock. It won't have a VFG.
100_0214.jpg
 
Last edited:
Dirty*Harry said:
Well I sold the pistol.
I was at the range and I had someone ask me if I wanted to sell it. After a little bit of going back in forth, I let it go for $700.
I've since ordered a GSG-5 pistol from CDNN on sale foe $249. That will be much easier to make into a SBR because there are simple bolt on stocks available.
The profit on the M&P15-22P paid for my stamp and most of the stock.
This is what the GSG-5 will look like when I add the stock. It won't have a VFG.
100_0214.jpg
Click to expand...

Bought the same thing for the same purpose two weeks ago.
 
crazykg85 said:
Bought the same thing for the same purpose two weeks ago.
Click to expand...

Mine is do to arrive at my local FFL tomorrow. I will be doing a eform1 as soon as I get home with it.
I'm waiting on a stamp for my Zastava M92 pistol. I filed it on New Years Day. Should be here sometime in the next 10 days.

Look into http://rrages.com/root/screw/index.htm for a screw kit and H&K pin kit.

Also magazines from here with free shipping.
http://www.rimfiresports.com/mercha...SC&Product_Code=GERMGSG22TP&Category_Code=GSG

Also lots of good info about it here.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/41_.html
 
Last edited:
D*H,
Careful of the 110 round drums. They are a PITA to load and the break easy.

I'm working on a M&P22C SBR. I will make a 200 round drum for it. It shout be a sweet as Pb. :)
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

M
Picked Up A Winchester Model 62
Replies
14
Views
878
Mainsail
Mainsail
MPWhite
Talk about falling into...
Replies
0
Views
76
MPWhite
MPWhite
M
M&P .22 Compact
Replies
9
Views
494
Mike SC Hunter
M
three50seven
M&P 22 Magnum - An Answer to Nobody's Question?
Replies
11
Views
2K
BSA1
B
G
  • Locked
Sold M&P40 2.0 Compact: NIB, $450 Shipped CONUS
Replies
1
Views
285
BillsCamino
B

Latest posts

Back
Top