Just read this in the paper

[b79holmes]

So your in a bar and a 250 lb drunk "as#$%^&e" jumps over the bar and starts to beat on the 110 lb female bartender...

What's your next move?

Don't give it away if you know the story but this is a great example of the difference between what you'd like to do and what you should do.

Bill

 

[GatorFarmer]

Hope that my drink didn't get spilled, down it quickly, and then leave before the cops came.

 

[Crazy K38]

stomped his A** for layng his hands on a woman, and he would be lucky to leave there without paramedic help

 

[USAF385]

stomped his A** for layng his hands on a woman, and he would be lucky to leave there without paramedic help

Ah.... but what if.....

what if the guy is a cop..... in Chicago. Where this behavior is acceptable for police officers.

 

[gunnut2u]

Not for sure what I would do.
TRUE STORY:
When I was a kid we lived across the street from a tavern . One day I watched my uncle go into the tavern and lock the door behind him. He proceeded to take on three guys in the tavern. Not until he had beaten the three guys he started out to , did the door to the tavern open. On his back was the i believe to be about a 100 lb old lady that was the bar tender.Of course she had a black jack and was putting a few knots on old tony boys head .After seeing this, I think I just might set back and enjoy the show . Man I sure miss old tony boy .

 

[b79holmes]

documented 'what if' scenario

Ah.... but what if.....

what if the guy is a cop..... in Chicago. Where this behavior is acceptable for police officers.

You are good! We have had many 'what if' conversations on this board and this is a documented scenario.

Associated Press / June 24, 2009

CHICAGO - An off-duty Chicago police officer convicted of pummeling a female bartender half his size was sentenced yesterday to two years' probation and anger management classes for the videotaped attack that appeared worldwide on the Internet and cable news channels.

Cook County Circuit Judge John Fleming also gave Anthony Abbate a home curfew of 8 p.m. to 6 a.m. and ordered him to perform 130 hours of community service.

Prosecutors had asked for prison for Abbate - he could have been sentenced to up to five years - but the judge said he didn't see aggravating factors to justify a prison term.

Earlier this month, Fleming rejected Abbate's claim he acted in self-defense and convicted him of aggravated battery. A tavern security video shows a drunken, 250-pound Abbate punching and kicking the 125-pound Karolina Obrycka as she tended bar in February 2007. The altercation happened after she refused to serve him more drinks.

The video captured attention as another example of misconduct by Chicago police. Then-superintendent Phil Cline announced his retirement shortly after the video surfaced and former FBI official Jody Weis was appointed to the spot with an order to clean up the department's image.

Abbate acknowledged during the trial that he was drunk during the incident. But he said Obrycka pushed him first as she tried to remove him from behind the bar.

Abbate has been relieved of his duties and pay, Chicago Police Department spokesman Officer Robert Perez said. The department is looking into "separation proceedings,'' Perez said. Weis has said he wants Abbate fired.

 

[Crazy K38]

Ah.... but what if.....

what if the guy is a cop..... in Chicago. Where this behavior is acceptable for police officers.

then I am going to jail and he is going to the ER, if a man, regardless of job or stature hit's a woman in my presence then I will do everything in my power to OWN him. I have never played that game and HATE the players

 

[USAF385]

You are good! We have had many 'what if' conversations on this board and this is a documented scenario.

Yeah.. can you imagine if someone HAD tried to get involved? The cop would still be free, and the person who tried to help the bartender would somehow be in prison!

 

[walnutred]

Yeah.. can you imagine if someone HAD tried to get involved? The cop would still be free, and the person who tried to help the bartender would somehow be in prison!

Your forgetting this is Chicago we're talking about. IF someone HAD got involved they would likely have suffered a fatal heart attack while in a holding cell.

 

[jag312]

How about hitting the attacker over his head with a bar stool, then getting the hell out of there. Regardless of who the attacker was, I would not feel inclined to stay there to admire my handiwork.

 

[b79holmes]

caught on tape

There was an out of focus picture in the paper here as the attack was caught by a security camera.

While I agree the press & prosecutors would be all over you I'd almost say if "you read the book", that someone would be justified in intervening. That is how I would vote if I was on a jury deciding on a 3rd party who came to her aid and was prosecuted.

Now if I was there...I don't know what I'd do.

I had my wife read about 1/2 of Kenik's "Armed Response" during our last long car trip. Hopefully she wouldn't say "Well you have a gun, do something" to loudly.

Bill

 

[USAF385]

How about hitting the attacker over his head with a bar stool, then getting the hell out of there. Regardless of who the attacker was, I would not feel inclined to stay there to admire my handiwork.

LOL... admire my handiwork.. I'm picturing you standing over the guy with your hand's triumphantly placed on you hips with your chin held high.......

 

[Spotteddog]

I've been looking at this story in this and in it's other thread. And the one common denominator that's gone unanswered in both is, whether an off duty cop or not he's fortunate that the bar tender didn't up from behind the counter with a .357 and blow a half dozen holes in him? All I can say is there were many, MANY more than one local bar that had a piece behind the counter when I lived there. So he got lucky twice!

 

[GatorFarmer]

then I am going to jail and he is going to the ER, if a man, regardless of job or stature hit's a woman in my presence then I will do everything in my power to OWN him. I have never played that game and HATE the players

You need more life experience under your belt. Just as often as not, a woman is an instigator or even the attacker. Blame hormones in the beef, fluoride in the water, or just that the Victorians had it wrong, but the fairer sex isn't always going to be the victim.

One lives longer and has less problems when they mind their own business. I spent my formative young adult through grizzled early mature adult years living in the 'hood.

My favorite scenes that I witnessed was one where the "woman" getting beat on actually turned out to a tranny prostitute that was built - on closer examination - like a line backer who was fighting with "her" pimp that was about half her size. He was a scarppy little devil though I suppose, since he seemed to stay in the fight better than I'd have thought.

To the credit of her work ethic, even as her pimp was chasing her with a blonde wig in hand "she" still tried to wave me down, even with the blood on her face (nominal "her" throughout) to see if I might be a client.

Ah, them were the days...

Anyway, unless you know the parties involved, or see something that truly shocks the conscience, you're better off leaving well enough alone and minding your own affairs.

 

[Captain Hornet]

The best thing is to just stay out of bars. If you want to drink do it at home. It's easier to quit when you have had enough and you don't need a taxi.

 

[mrwildroot]

The best thing is to just stay out of bars. If you want to drink do it at home. It's easier to quit when you have had enough and you don't need a taxi.

Truer words were never spoken....

mw

 

[Crazy K38]

not to mention it's cheaper

 

[USAF385]

Last time I was in a bar was in '06 after getting back stateside from Iraq. A bunch of us went out and had a few drinks. We left when some local punks thought it would be fun to play tough with the guys with short hair.

They were lucky we were a nice group of servicemen or they would have had trouble. Why three local punks would try to start with three Airmen, A Soldier, and two Marines is beyond me...... they must have been very brave.. full of liquid courage

 

[Crazy K38]

Last time I was in a bar was in '06 after getting back stateside from Iraq. A bunch of us went out and had a few drinks. We left when some local punks thought it would be fun to play tough with the guys with short hair.

They were lucky we were a nice group of servicemen or they would have had trouble. Why three local punks would try to start with three Airmen, A Soldier, and two Marines is beyond me...... they must have been very brave.. full of liquid courage

no just very stupid any of you guys would have torn them apart not to mention the marines have a passion for it

 

[mrwildroot]

Thank you all for your service!

( ...and your discretion...)

mrwildroot