K32 project
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Green Frog
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"Out of the woodwork?" Come one Jim! I'm recovering from knee surgery here!
I'm not hopping around as well as normal. My two 32 builds took opposite tacks on the matter of headspace and recessed chambers. Since Project 616 was built on a Model 66 that had recessed chambers, and since it was destined to be a 327 Magnum, I didn't even think of doing it any other way.
OTOH, the recreation of a Model 16-3 was based on a K-38 donor gun, and since the original 16-3 was non-recessed, I made the decision to have the rear of the K-22 cylinder milled so it would be authentic.
To be perfectly honest I don't see a nickel's worth of difference either way. Supporting the case head in magnum strength loads may have been helpful with the old balloon-head cases, but with modern brass and much stronger solid case heads, it's probably unnecessary.
Froggie
Yesterday was a longish day, but fairly enjoyable.
I tried to understand more about why my pinned and non-pinned parts when put together would not allow a full movement of the hammer.
I took it to the Saturday sewing circle at the local gunshop, some guys there made some observations that I had not noticed. Usually they are on my case but they were actually helpful
Been going to the same shop for 40 years now on Saturdays.
They noted that the cylinder would time nicely, index and all, but the hammer would not fully extend. I was mistaken in that early on.
So that afternoon, I took the thing apart trying to understand revolvers, very new to them in anything too heavy. I shimmed, traded parts, and all of that kid stuff. I finally took the K22 cylinder off the yoke/extactor rod, and took the side plate off to see internals.
With just the extractor rod and yoke in place, the ratchet would time nice, and........the hammer would fully engage. I reckon the cylinder stop was holding things up otherwise.
I noticed that with the cylinder and all in place that the cylinder would indeed index, but the control surfaces in the fire control was not quite over the necessary mark.
So with some worries, I attacked the hand; ie shortening it. I stoned a little, checked the double action first, pretty soon after a couple of tries(fairly conservative on metal removal of the hand), the double action would play with the cylinder.
Needless to say, with more stoning of the hand, watching the control surfaces of the fire group, the single action came around nicely.
At this time, I have the pinned K22 cylinder in the non-pinned frame, percolating. No rough spots, just working/timing like one would think it oughta.
My thanks for the help and gentle corrections from the forum members. I am not new to firearms in general in most senses, but revolvers have always been a bit of a reach for me. As long as I stayed within my bounds, I could figure things out and get along.
I plan to work on the sleeved barrel shortly, crown it, relieve the thread area for full touch to the frame, time the cosmetics, and shorten the forcing cone area down to almost there. I have taken depth mic readings on the distance of the forcing cone, so have an idea of what that will be. I am a one man show, if I do not do it; it does not go forward.
I have read about reaming the K22 cylinders to 32 from the front of the cylinder on this forum. My wildcat Smith Wesson pistols I stayed in caliber, so only reaming was required. I will end up with a recess cylinder which is ok with me in the 32 H&R magnum caliber.
I am looking forward to shooting the completed project sometime in the coming months.
regards,
Rick WW.
I tried to understand more about why my pinned and non-pinned parts when put together would not allow a full movement of the hammer.
I took it to the Saturday sewing circle at the local gunshop, some guys there made some observations that I had not noticed. Usually they are on my case but they were actually helpful
Been going to the same shop for 40 years now on Saturdays.They noted that the cylinder would time nicely, index and all, but the hammer would not fully extend. I was mistaken in that early on.
So that afternoon, I took the thing apart trying to understand revolvers, very new to them in anything too heavy. I shimmed, traded parts, and all of that kid stuff. I finally took the K22 cylinder off the yoke/extactor rod, and took the side plate off to see internals.
With just the extractor rod and yoke in place, the ratchet would time nice, and........the hammer would fully engage. I reckon the cylinder stop was holding things up otherwise.
I noticed that with the cylinder and all in place that the cylinder would indeed index, but the control surfaces in the fire control was not quite over the necessary mark.
So with some worries, I attacked the hand; ie shortening it. I stoned a little, checked the double action first, pretty soon after a couple of tries(fairly conservative on metal removal of the hand), the double action would play with the cylinder.
Needless to say, with more stoning of the hand, watching the control surfaces of the fire group, the single action came around nicely.
At this time, I have the pinned K22 cylinder in the non-pinned frame, percolating. No rough spots, just working/timing like one would think it oughta.
My thanks for the help and gentle corrections from the forum members. I am not new to firearms in general in most senses, but revolvers have always been a bit of a reach for me. As long as I stayed within my bounds, I could figure things out and get along.
I plan to work on the sleeved barrel shortly, crown it, relieve the thread area for full touch to the frame, time the cosmetics, and shorten the forcing cone area down to almost there. I have taken depth mic readings on the distance of the forcing cone, so have an idea of what that will be. I am a one man show, if I do not do it; it does not go forward.
I have read about reaming the K22 cylinders to 32 from the front of the cylinder on this forum. My wildcat Smith Wesson pistols I stayed in caliber, so only reaming was required. I will end up with a recess cylinder which is ok with me in the 32 H&R magnum caliber.
I am looking forward to shooting the completed project sometime in the coming months.
regards,
Rick WW.
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"I have read about reaming the K22 cylinders to 32 from the front of the cylinder on this forum."
I must have missed that thread! Do you have a link?
I must have missed that thread! Do you have a link?
The thread on reaming K22 cylinders from the front that I saw........the operations from the front of the cylinder is up to 32 cal, nominal 312. The cylinder is turned around for chambering. Just a perspective on what worked out for the poster...........nice thread to ponder.
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Green Frog
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Rick WW, thanks for that thread reference. Lots of good info for the guy interested in precision alteration and fitting of the 32 cylinder made from the 22 cylinder. As much as I do and have done with my various 32 projects, it's always surprising how much stuff I haven't seen.
Regards,
Froggie
Regards,
Froggie
G.F.,
I hear you about all the techniques out there in the machining world, some is based on experience; some on philosophy. The forum allowing such threads as to builds to me is a good thing, shares experience/knowledge. You don't have to believe it all the time, but nice it is out there.
I watched a benchrest gunsmith make up a reloading die once, got the steel all prepped, then bored in one side half way. Then he flipped it around, and bored from the other side. With all the fussing about how the steel was running in his lathe, a bit of a feat to me. He then precision reamed the two holes together, if you could call it two holes. Fussy guys those riflesmiths.
I am new to the forum recently, and hope to peruse the build type threads for pointers on my own project. Like you I have built a few up already, but as usual there is always something new in the mix to nip you.
With the relative scarcity of K22 cylinders(old stars) and their newly found pricing, I bought a 617 stainless cylinder on a lark with the new extractor. Not sure yet how compatible etc it is with some of the things I have, but have some hope; I have stashed a few old K22 cylinders away but the pile is getting smaller. Maybe a 66 with 2 1/2 barrel in 22lr? or 25-20, 32-20?
regards
I hear you about all the techniques out there in the machining world, some is based on experience; some on philosophy. The forum allowing such threads as to builds to me is a good thing, shares experience/knowledge. You don't have to believe it all the time, but nice it is out there.
I watched a benchrest gunsmith make up a reloading die once, got the steel all prepped, then bored in one side half way. Then he flipped it around, and bored from the other side. With all the fussing about how the steel was running in his lathe, a bit of a feat to me. He then precision reamed the two holes together, if you could call it two holes. Fussy guys those riflesmiths.
I am new to the forum recently, and hope to peruse the build type threads for pointers on my own project. Like you I have built a few up already, but as usual there is always something new in the mix to nip you.
With the relative scarcity of K22 cylinders(old stars) and their newly found pricing, I bought a 617 stainless cylinder on a lark with the new extractor. Not sure yet how compatible etc it is with some of the things I have, but have some hope; I have stashed a few old K22 cylinders away but the pile is getting smaller. Maybe a 66 with 2 1/2 barrel in 22lr? or 25-20, 32-20?
regards
Green Frog
Member
Rick WW,
My build of the stainless"Project 616" used a later 617 cylinder with that oddly shaped extractor. I didn't see the work being done (he was in Ohio and I was in Virginia) but when I finally got to pick up my gun Andy informed me that there had been a lot of extra work involved in making that extractor work for the project and he would have to charge accordingly. That was fair of course, but in the future any K-22 cylinder I buy (blue or stainless) will have the earlier extractor if at all possible... even if I have to pay more for it initially. In my possibles box now there is only one 22 cylinder, a stainless one from a K-22 Magnum (Model 648??) I'm still toying with the idea of having it reamed to 32-20 to go with my 327.
Froggie
My build of the stainless"Project 616" used a later 617 cylinder with that oddly shaped extractor. I didn't see the work being done (he was in Ohio and I was in Virginia) but when I finally got to pick up my gun Andy informed me that there had been a lot of extra work involved in making that extractor work for the project and he would have to charge accordingly. That was fair of course, but in the future any K-22 cylinder I buy (blue or stainless) will have the earlier extractor if at all possible... even if I have to pay more for it initially. In my possibles box now there is only one 22 cylinder, a stainless one from a K-22 Magnum (Model 648??) I'm still toying with the idea of having it reamed to 32-20 to go with my 327.
Froggie
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