remat457
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Do your homework - Kahr owns a few well known companies including AO. What I am wondering is how all of these recoil spring guides are breaking? One gun maybe or even a problem with a model, but mutiple brands and models?
Kahr vs Smith
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I agree this is getting old. I have owned 3 Kahr's and all have been perfect. This guy shot reloads through the gun and then told Kahr CS about it. Kahr specifically states that shooting reloads voids the warranty. Now he is on a one man crusade because he screwed up. Read your warranty and quit whining.
By the way, thank you Kahr for the $50,000 contribution to The Wounded Warrior Project that I just read about.
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les strat
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Not beating anyone down for having problems with their Kahr, but I personally have had zero issues with my CM9 since break-in (first 200 rounds as Kahr recommends). I had a couple FTFeeds in the first 50 I put through it, but smooth sailing since. I love that little gun.
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I can't think of any brand that I haven't heard someone gripe about at some time or another. Gets tiresome after a while.
My MK9 Elite is a beautiful piece of metalwork, and has worked perfectly. I like my Smiths, too. And my Colts.
My MK9 Elite is a beautiful piece of metalwork, and has worked perfectly. I like my Smiths, too. And my Colts.
StatesRightist
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I had zero issues from the Kahr's I've owned. I take this stuff with the same grain of salt I do all of the Smith stinks now days posts. I've bought a ton of guns in the last few years, enough to know the exceptional occurrence when I hear it. Whether it be Kahr, S&W, SIG et al.
retarmyaviator
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Come over to the Thompson forum, Kahr gets beat up there on a regular basis from guns made yesterday to ones made years ago.
I have fired quite a few Taurus the PT 92 is a fav of mine
When someone starts ripping on Taurus politly ask them which one they had a problem with usually it goes
Well my aunts, grandmothers, brothers, hair dresser had one that....
I did have a problem with a 92 sent it in Tuesday and got it back 9 days later that Thursday with a new slide (They found a crack)
They dont hold value thats the worst thing about them unless you a buyer of course!
They are not a Smith but sometimes a Chevy will get the job done.
Hank
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I can't speak to Kahr's current QC but I did own a PM45 when they first came out. I had more than one issue with it and to their credit they made it right including a return trip on their dime to polish the feedramp and they wound up replaicing the barrel. Bought a PM9 at the same time as the 45 and it has been flawless, not an issue. So, maybe it's luck of the draw or it could be a sign to steer clear of new products 
Hindsight can give us perspective on life in general but more so with guns. During my issues with the PM45 I was ticked, I laid out nearly $600 bucks for a carry gun I had carefully selected and it wouldn't run. So, I understand how the OP feels and if you've never had an issue then good for you. I will say I've never understood the break in period they described going in and thought they were full of it as I have owned more than my share of firearms and they ran right out of the box. Namely, Smith and Wesson, Colts, Aresenal and Glocks.
Hindsight can give us perspective on life in general but more so with guns. During my issues with the PM45 I was ticked, I laid out nearly $600 bucks for a carry gun I had carefully selected and it wouldn't run. So, I understand how the OP feels and if you've never had an issue then good for you. I will say I've never understood the break in period they described going in and thought they were full of it as I have owned more than my share of firearms and they ran right out of the box. Namely, Smith and Wesson, Colts, Aresenal and Glocks.
les strat
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I can't speak to Kahr's current QC but I did own a PM45 when they first came out. I had more than one issue with it and to their credit they made it right including a return trip on their dime to polish the feedramp and they wound up replaicing the barrel. Bought a PM9 at the same time as the 45 and it has been flawless, not an issue. So, maybe it's luck of the draw or it could be a sign to steer clear of new products
Hindsight can give us perspective on life in general but more so with guns. During my issues with the PM45 I was ticked, I laid out nearly $600 bucks for a carry gun I had carefully selected and it wouldn't run. So, I understand how the OP feels and if you've never had an issue then good for you. I will say I've never understood the break in period they described going in and thought they were full of it as I have owned more than my share of firearms and they ran right out of the box. Namely, Smith and Wesson, Colts, Aresenal and Glocks.
Kahrs have super-tight tolerances for such small guns. You would not want one that was "Glock loose" (this is coming from a Glock owner). Guns with tight tolerences have to be slicked up, and that takes a good bit of shooting before becoming reliable, and they are usually very accurate, especially for the diminuitive size. 1911's have this trouble a lot, but folks that buy them understand they need that break-in period and often some smith work before they are just right. Same reason newer cars need to be broken in the first 5,000 miles unlike the old 8 bangers of yesteryear.
I have owned several Kahr pistols, and I didn't have any problems with mine...but I don't own them now for two reasons:
1) I didn't like the recommend "prep work" to make them run right, instead of just taking them out of the box, cleaning them, and firing them.
2) Kahr no longer offers a lifetime warranty; it is now 5 years.
I don't want to own guns made by a company that doesn't have enough faith in their own product to offer a lifetime warranty. The one exception: Ruger doesn't have a stated warranty, but they have a well-documented history of taking care of their customers regardless of any stated warranty.
I have never had to make modifications to my S&W magazines so they will work. I have never had to fire hundreds of rounds through my S&Ws before they are considered reliable by the company. (Might as well buy a Kimber instead...
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I'm glad if Kahr owners like and enjoy their guns...I would hope that for everyone, regardless of brand. I am just stating my reasons and preferences. YMMV
1) I didn't like the recommend "prep work" to make them run right, instead of just taking them out of the box, cleaning them, and firing them.
2) Kahr no longer offers a lifetime warranty; it is now 5 years.
I don't want to own guns made by a company that doesn't have enough faith in their own product to offer a lifetime warranty. The one exception: Ruger doesn't have a stated warranty, but they have a well-documented history of taking care of their customers regardless of any stated warranty.
I have never had to make modifications to my S&W magazines so they will work. I have never had to fire hundreds of rounds through my S&Ws before they are considered reliable by the company. (Might as well buy a Kimber instead...
) I'm glad if Kahr owners like and enjoy their guns...I would hope that for everyone, regardless of brand. I am just stating my reasons and preferences. YMMV
I worked in a gun shop for several years. I heard all the complaints. All gun manufacturers send out guns once in a while that have problems. I had a customer who bought the CW45 when they first came out and it had to be sent back with a major issue. Kahr fixed it and returned it promptly. Other folks had more minor issues with Kahr subcompacts, but they were always happy when Kahr returned them, except for one customer who said he didn't trust the gun any more. I think that he actually had buyer's remorse. The Thompson .45 carbines have always been full of issues. I haven't worked in a gun shop for several years now, so I don't know how customer service compares today. I for one, think the Kahr's look neat and compact, but I wouldn't lay down money for one based on my past experience, even though I know that the satisfied Kahr owners outnumber the ones who had problems. It just seemed like there were more problems than with other brands.
rraisley
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I bought an M&P 9C for a CWP course, and love the gun. It shot/shoots well, trigger pull is good considering the kind of gun it is (I'd always shot target guns like my Browning Medalist, Hi-Standard Trophy, Colt Gold Cup). Real happy with it. But while it conceals well under a jacket, was no good, for me, for concealment under a shirt.
So I bought a Ruger LCR. It wants to hurt me with +P rounds, and obviously doesn't shoot as well, but concealed a bit better.
So I tried a Kahr PM9. Conceals very nicely. The hammer pull seemed heavy, and seemed to go on forever, but I liked everything else, so got it anyhow. I LOVE it! VERY surprisingly, I shoot it more accurately than I do the 9C (and much more accurately than the LCR). None of these guns has ever had a mis-feed, mis-fire, mis-anything, so I feel great with them for concealed carry. And while I love my 9C, I WILL NOT be giving up the Kahr any time soon.
I recommend both whenever I see someone shopping for them, but my favorite is still the Kahr.
So I bought a Ruger LCR. It wants to hurt me with +P rounds, and obviously doesn't shoot as well, but concealed a bit better.
So I tried a Kahr PM9. Conceals very nicely. The hammer pull seemed heavy, and seemed to go on forever, but I liked everything else, so got it anyhow. I LOVE it! VERY surprisingly, I shoot it more accurately than I do the 9C (and much more accurately than the LCR). None of these guns has ever had a mis-feed, mis-fire, mis-anything, so I feel great with them for concealed carry. And while I love my 9C, I WILL NOT be giving up the Kahr any time soon.
I recommend both whenever I see someone shopping for them, but my favorite is still the Kahr.
I'm on my seventh or eighth Kahr now. Bought every one of them new. Only had one problem and they took care of it.
I fail to see why people complain about this or that manufacturer. If you search the web, there are complaints about all of them.
Nothing is perfect every time and we shouldn't expect it.
Maybe I've been lucky but I've bought more new guns than anyone I know. Sigs, Kahr, Smith, Ruger, Taurus, Dan Wesson, CZ, Beretta and on and on.
The brand that gave me he most trouble was Taurus. But even then less than 5% of the guns I bought gave me problems.
Maybe it's how we approach the problem?
I fail to see why people complain about this or that manufacturer. If you search the web, there are complaints about all of them.
Nothing is perfect every time and we shouldn't expect it.
Maybe I've been lucky but I've bought more new guns than anyone I know. Sigs, Kahr, Smith, Ruger, Taurus, Dan Wesson, CZ, Beretta and on and on.
The brand that gave me he most trouble was Taurus. But even then less than 5% of the guns I bought gave me problems.
Maybe it's how we approach the problem?
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I fail to see why people complain about this or that manufacturer. If you search the web, there are complaints about all of them.
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It's human nature to complain. We get our hopes up in anticipation of a new toy and then our dreams are dashed against the rocks. We also try to warn friends to keep them from similar problems or to punish the wrong-doer thus getting even without severing heads.
In days gone by, complaints were heard around the wood stove at the hardware store where you bought your gun, and passed on at the water cooler. They pretty much stayed in the local area unless your sister-in-law's brother was in town for the holidays then he could relate his mailman's hairdresser's cousins experience...
Now we have the internet with lots and lots of wood-stoves.
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ColbyBruce
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I have owned just about every brand available at one time or another. Issues do occur with them all eventually. I live 35 miles from Glock, Inc. in Smyrna, GA so I drive guns up there for service and wait on them. For some reason, they treat me like a rich relative. The few issues I had with S&W's were issues caused by previous owners. These were resolved promptly and at reasonable cost. With one exception. I had a few unpleasant exchanges with a lady named Kay or Kate Fredette over Wather P22 magazines. She refused to send me six replacement magazines for my three pistols until I proved I owned three of them. I had to mail her a copy of my sales receipt from Vance's in Ohio.
