Korth vs S&W? Are they worth the money?

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There are many positive reviews on the Korth revolvers on YouTube, whether they are genuine reviews I don’t know. I had a chance to hold one yesterday. It was a 3” mongoose for $4,000. I wasn’t allowed to test the trigger or turn the cylinder. With that, it didn’t look or feel any better when compared to a S&W.

I realize this is subjective, but can anyone share their candid thoughts on whether they think the Korth revolvers are worth the money? Especially when compared to S&W offerings?
 
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They are the staccatos of revolvers. Like Staccatos you are paying for a luxury experience more than a massive performance boost. I am sure they shoot smooth, feel premium, and may even be a little more accurate. That said, the diminishing returns are massive. Let's put it this way, nobody ever said "If only they had a Korth instead of a Smith and Wesson revolver they would have survived"

You have the cash and want a premium experience? Go for it! Just realize it doesn't shoot heat seeking bullets.
 
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I think Korth and Spohr (and maybe Manurhin) are to revolvers what Wilson and Nighthawk are for 1911s.

You will pay triple what a Colt or S&W costs, and the gun will be much better, but not 3X better.

If you can afford a high end Korth or Spohr then buy one and enjoy it, but if S&Ws, Rugers and Colts are what your budget allows be confident you are not missing a lot.

I own several Colt 1911s and one Nighthawk 1911 and the Nighthawk is clearly the superior gun in every way.
 
Smith and Wesson could easily compete with these high price revolvers. All they have to do is make the performance center be what everybody thinks it is. Turn out a finely fit and tuned revolver and really do a QC inspection on it. Colt could do the same through the custom shop. Dan Wesson does it. They get right between a production and a custom gun, and make a super product for a modest increase over a production gun. Smart
 
In my world, the main event for a DA revolver is - how good is the DA trigger pull? I had the opportunity a couple of years ago, to test 4 Korths and 4 Manhurins with a trigger pull gauge. They were all at 8-1/2 to 9-1/2 lb. for the DA. S&W is around 12 lb. DA.

The Euro guns are finely crafted and beautiful to look at. Out of the box they are better than a Smith out of the box (new). They do not perform any better than a S&W that is mechanically correct.

An S&W with a good quality action job will have a 6 to 6-1/2 lb. DA. and be easier and more enjoyable to shoot with. Bottom line is - you can have a better gun (by my standards) by getting a Smith and having it upgraded than by getting a multi thousand dollar Euro gun.
 
I've had the chance to shoot a full cylinder of 357 magnum from a friend's Korth Super Sport a few months ago. While it's a certainly a nice gun, it's not my cup of tea. Not classy... too busy looking. I much rather spend the $6,199 they go for on rarer collectible Smith or Colt, or several other revolvers.

While its action was nice, it was not nicer than the action of my favorite S&Ws, or the action of my several new Colt Pythons, which right now are my favorite double action shooter revolvers.
 
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I have a couple of Korths. They're high end, very high quality, guns. And I like having them. Have a Manurhin MR73 as well.

We've had a number of threads here on them, and why people buy them, that you might want to look up.

To me the easiest way to explain it that some people buy them for the same reasons that some people will buy high end, luxury, mechanical watches rather than, say, a Citizen quartz (which is my preferred watch brand, BTW).

Different strokes.
 
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I have a 4" Mongoose and to me it is a prettier gun than the dolled up Korth models. Compared to my various S&W revolvers it has a smoother trigger, tighter tolerances, and the machining is just about perfect. The online reviews I've seen are mostly accurate.

Is it 3X better than a Smith? No. Do I shoot it 3X better? Again no. Like any luxury item I'm aware of there is a definite curve of diminishing returns. I explained my decision to purchase a Korth in a recent thread and I don't regret it.

Is it worth it is a question only you can answer.
 
Korth = S&W + Wolf Springs……. Simple equation
Gun collectors are “collectors” they like a variety of things. Just like the car collector that drops $300k on a Ferrari when the $70k Corvette he owns will beat the pants off it.
 
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Korth is to S&W revolvers as Wilson Combat is to Colt.

No comparison

If you’re a guy who is perfectly satisfied with a Colt 1911, I’d say a Wilson (or Korth) is not worth the money to you. High end guns aren’t for everyone. They aren’t meant to be, nor could production ever keep up if the masses who buy Colts and S&W suddenly wanted a really nice gun. Wait times are already long.
 
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I own 1 Korth in .22 lr, it’s fun to shoot. Actually shoot it slightly better than my S&W revolvers but I still enjoy the Smiths. Also have 2 Manurhin revolvers in .357 & .32 long. Same here, I enjoy shooting the Manurhin’s especially in double action but the Smiths are fun also.

The club has a double action only league starting (center fire guns only) in April for 8 weeks shooting 2 matches a nite. Gonna use the Manurhin’s only this year, the triggers are sweet on these two guns. Just my preference. Larry
 
For the guns you are asking about there are other things to consider:
Availability of holsters.
Availability of spare parts.
Availability ( maybe ) of speed loaders that fit if you want any.
Replacement grips.
Resale. Very, very limited market. The number of people who could or would spring for the money to buy one even at half the retail price is a tiny amount.
If you need to have work done, finding a GOOD gunsmith that is familiar with them and is willing to do the work could be a problem.
I wouldn’t consider getting one for myself at all, but that’s just me.
If you are looking for new production revolvers, give the Kimber’s some consideration. High quality from what I read. I have no personal experience with them myself, but they are reputed to be a step above anything else out there that is new production. Somewhat higher priced than other American double-action revolvers, but may be worth every penny.
 
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One of the original qualities that Willi Korth sought for his revolvers is that they would be long term investments, primarily for the domestic German market and also Europe.

Americans are accustomed to living in an “instant gratification” society, with an emphasis on easy aquisition of “stuff”.

How many of you S&W guys have only ONE revolver, and that being your primary day-to-day shotting iron?
Not many, I bet.
IF there are any such members here, how many of you shoot that ONE revolver 100-200 rounds per week?
Anyone?

European gun ownership is an onerous venture. Every step is difficult.
-Imagine having to first join a gun club, as a prerequisite to applying for a permit to own a handgun.
-Imagine that, too, you are required by the club and your country that you must be an active member that participates in a set number of matches and/or qualifications to maintain your membership and permit. Permits and membership require annual renewal, or they are cancelled and you lose your guns.
-You might very well be allowed one centerfire handgun. What would you select that would stand up to the above qualifications?
Keep in mind that if you need service or parts you must usually acquire a special permit to ship your gun to a gunsmith. There might only be one guy who fixes all the guns of a particular brand in your country.
But, you say,”I can do my own work.” OK, how do you get parts? Do you think S&W or Brownell’s is going to mail handgun parts to your foreign address??

Korths and Manurhins are expensive for a reason. Every part is typically machined from very hard steels. Those parts are then carefully fitted so they don’t work against each other. There’s no room for the small, inexpensive “expendable” parts intended to take the load, periodically break, then quickly replaced, as is typical in America.
Unlike, say, a Colt Python (as nice as it may be in its own context), you don’t have be afraid of shooting your Korth, and shooting it A LOT!

Presumably, some of you know the story about the legendary GIGN, the elite French SWAT unit? They train every day, firing 150-200 shots of full power 357 magnum a day. Very quickly, they found out the S&W M19 was not up to the job.
Along came the Manurhin mr73.
The original Korth fulfilled that same role for the serious civilian market.

Just something to keep in mind before disparaging Korths or Manurhins as nothing more than expensive, luxury toys for rich guys.

*ADDENDUM: I didn’t intend this to be a response to the post immediately above mine, as I didn’t read it until I had already submitted the above post.
Nonetheless, it’s ironic to note that it is a counterpoint worth possibly considering.

As for the market, the demand for Korths has always exceeded the supply. Cabela’s will never offer them as a Black Friday “doorcrasher” special.
 
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Well, Nighthawk, their US distributor, works on the new ones out of Lollar, and they also work on the old ones, out of Ratzeburg, from what I have read.

And, yes, the market is limited. But insofar as I can discern, no one ever has trouble selling them on national auction platforms.

I have a 3" Korth Combat that fits well into a 3" Manurhin MR73 holster. And I don't think anyone who buys a Korth, and wants to carry it, will have any trouble springing for a custom holster.

But, I think we all, agree, they're not for everyone. And that is fine, and as it should be.
 

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