Latest on Bovine Methane

[HOUSTON RICK]

Glad that we found a problem that their new product can solve, but what does it really do long term to humans? As long as enough money is being made, no one cares. Good to be old.

 

[swsig]

Oh, oh, can I take a sawzall to the CAT and DPF on my two diesels now, PLEASE!!!!

Nah, you don't need to do anything that radical. Just install some bootleg Volkswagen diesel emissions software.

 

[mtgianni]

I'm more interested in watching working hands measure a teaspoon full of medicine and getting it down each cow.

 

[Rule3]

Who is going to PAY for it?Small time farms can barely get by year to year. The big firms I guess will just hike the price of dairy products.
Is the Govt going to "require" it be used??

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

We owe a debt of gratitude to the early western settlers. If they didn't kill off the millions of buffalo, we would surely be drowning in melted glaciers today.

If ALL the glaciers melted today it wouldn't make a difference in the ocean depth.......Just think of all the mighty rivers that dump into oceans everyday...More gals 24-7 than we have numbers to count.....Yet. The oceans don't overflow......Never have--Never will. The sun sucks the water back up into the sky......Makes rain and dumps it back on the earth's lands.....That's the way the Master designed it........Science today follows the $$$$. Not the facts.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

It seems to me, the enzymes are there to help break down what the cows are eating so they can digest it properly. I am also wondering about long term side effects to everyone who's ingesting this miracle drug...
I also think global warming is going to continue in spite of our efforts, just as it has between all the previous ice ages, when we weren't here to cause it or mitigate it.

And no matter what BS they come with and NO matter the $$$ they tax us and throw at. NOBODY can change it.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

Glad that we found a problem that their new product can solve, but what does it really do long term to humans? As long as enough money is being made, no one cares. Good to be old.

True........No one knows the long term effects of the "vaccine" either.

 

[TXBryan]

If ALL the glaciers melted today it wouldn't make a difference in the ocean depth.......Just think of all the mighty rivers that dump into oceans everyday...More gals 24-7 than we have numbers to count.....Yet. The oceans don't overflow......Never have--Never will. The sun sucks the water back up into the sky......Makes rain and dumps it back on the earth's lands.....That's the way the Master designed it........Science today follows the $$$$. Not the facts.

Can't help it you don't trust any kind of science anymore but the consensus among "real" earth scientists is that if all glaciers melted the global sea level would rise between 190 and 230 feet. That, my friend, is a "difference." The Piedmont of South Carolina would have a beachfront. Just sayin'.

Just 'cause lots of people who call themselves scientists have bailed on the scientific method/process and are drinking the kool-aid doesn't mean science no longer exists. And it doesn't care what you believe.

 

[Rustyt1953]

 

[Rustyt1953]

To repeat:

 

[Mercury]

True........No one knows the long term effects of the "vaccine" either.

Yet, we were told to trust the science.

 

[45Smashemflat]

Is this like DEF for cows?

 

[Mercury]

Can't help it you don't trust any kind of science anymore but the consensus among "real" earth scientists is that if all glaciers melted the global sea level would rise between 190 and 230 feet. That, my friend, is a "difference."

Bryan, what are your thoughts that for every scientist's opinion that our planet is heating up, there are other scientists who believe the opposite.

I've read that when larger periods of time are analyzed; the empirically supported data suggest that the Earth is actually in an overall cooling trend, but that science seems to be ignored by some.
We may actually be headed for another ice age in many thousands of years. Why would we do anything to cool off the Earth and hasten that?

 

[twodog max]

Science has been corrupted by money and agendas. Just as have informational outlets. Believe very little of what passes as science these days and you will be closer to truth.
Chicken little is alive and well

 

[TXBryan]

Bryan, what are your thoughts that for every scientist's opinion that our planet is heating up, there are other scientists who believe the opposite.

I've read that when larger periods of time are analyzed; the empirically supported data suggest that the Earth is actually in an overall cooling trend, but that science seems to be ignored by some.
We may actually be headed for another ice age in many thousands of years. Why would we do anything to cool off the Earth and hasten that?

I do not think all glaciers are going to melt anytime soon nor am I a proponent of human-caused climate change (used to be global warming but now "climate change" in deference to the information you cite concerning "are we warming or cooling?"). There isn't any doubt that the climate is changing - but there's plenty of evidence it has always been a cyclic changling. I am uncertain how much human activity has to do with the currently documented changes and I also believe the recently documented changes represent a relatively short span of time from which to draw policy-making conclusions.

As stated in my thread-starting post:

None of the techniques or products being investigated or developed to address bovine belched methane would have an snowball's chance in Hades of getting to market except for the federal government's various carbon credit programs which you pay for. There's real science here but that's not what's driving this.

The same can be said for all other "green" technologies." Doesn't matter if it's electric vehicles, wind turbines, solar farms, legislating how much nitrogen fertilizer Dutch farmers can use, the list goes on. It seems to me that most of these "policies" and the commensurate incentives (in addition to "carrots" there's plenty of regulatory "sticks" too) have more to do with pandering to a support base than saving the planet.

I am a firm believer in science, but I have spent a long career practicing the scientific method, and believe I'm pretty good at sifting through the chaff to segregate crapatula from things we can use as a knowledge base. If one can digest and understand the "Abstract" and "Materials & Methods" portions of any scientific publication one can determine whether the report is worth reading and what level of confidence one can have in the "Conclusions." There has always been junk "science" perhaps a bit more now that some have corrupted it to serve political purpose. It is true that "science is never settled" (the funniest thing Barrack Obama ever said - by far - was "the science is settled") and anyone who says it is couldn't be more wrong. That is not to say there aren't volumes of facts, established scientifically, that we hold as basic truths.

Broad sweeping statements about not trusting science are absurd and demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge about the subject. The vast majority of science, in all fields, being practiced today is sound, ethically performed, and reported without bias. The trick is discerning junk from jewel - and it doesn't matter how one feels about it - science doesn't care what you believe.

At any rate I think we are WAY too early into genuine investigation concerning climate change to be making decisions about how to "cure" it, especially policies which may be completely ineffective, cost trillions of dollars, have potential to wreck economies and reduce our freedom. The old adage of "let's do something even if it's wrong" doesn't mesh well with my strategies for how much of my hard-earned dollars the government gets.

Thank you for the question Mercury - sounds like we are both appropriately skeptical. Bryan

 

[CH4]

Hopefully, Forum member CH4 will add his expert commentary.

Not much hot air to add here, all my fellow flatulent forum friends have already contributed enough to the destruction of the ozone.

 

[gunzo]

Other factors now that add, but about 40 million cows in the US presently, as opposed to 60 million Bison here in 1800.
So I say the cow poot danger BS was probably spearheaded by Peta &/or Vegans.

I, for dang sure ain't gonna worry about it.

 

[MelvinWalker]

Other factors now that add, but about 40 million cows in the US presently, as opposed to 60 million Bison here in 1800.
So I say the cow poot danger BS was probably spearheaded by Peta &/or Vegans.

I, for dang sure ain't gonna worry about it.

Exactly times 1000...

One decent volcanic explosion will cool us off for several decades like Mt. St. Helens did.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

Can't help it you don't trust any kind of science anymore but the consensus among "real" earth scientists is that if all glaciers melted the global sea level would rise between 190 and 230 feet. That, my friend, is a "difference." The Piedmont of South Carolina would have a beachfront. Just sayin'.

Just 'cause lots of people who call themselves scientists have bailed on the scientific method/process and are drinking the kool-aid doesn't mean science no longer exists. And it doesn't care what you believe.

Not so. Take into account of all the water dumped in the ocean everyday........Way more that all the glaciers put together. Glacier ice is porous, lots of air in it......Less gallons than you think.....Your scientist are guessing not using facts they don't have.

 

[MelvinWalker]

Not so. Take into account of all the water dumped in the ocean everyday........Way more that all the glaciers put together. Glacier ice is porous, lots of air in it......Less gallons than you think.....Your scientist are guessing not using facts they don't have.

Once again, spot on....

I have a very good friend that is a medical doctor who graduated with a high GPA in his class 40 years ago. The wife and I were at dinner recently. He asked me a question, and here it is;

Him: "What do you call a medical doctor that graduates medical school with a 2.5 GPA"

Me: "I don't know, what?"

Him: "You call him Doctor, just like everybody else in his class"

Translation, the Faucis, and Darwins and Mengele's don't own "The Science" any more than anyone else.

Charlie Kirk routinely makes fools of college kids and he has no degree. Check his You Tube videos...

Most people with solid trades credentials have more actual knowledge and intuitiveness than many goofballs with a degree and "the science"....My sister with a Master's is a prime example of someone educated beyond their intelligence.