Let's see your U.S. Model 1917 S&Ws!

"The U.S. Holsters shown with the 1917's are they carried butt forward? They look like a left handed holster carried on the wrong side. How do you draw the handgun out of them?

It's called the cavalry draw. You turn your hand so that the back of it is towards your side and twist as you draw. Remember, the principal weapon of the cavalry trooper was the sword, carried on the left side and drawn with the right hand. The revolver was drawn with the left hand.
 
Here's a commercial parts gun:

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Here's mine.

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My grandfather served in the Army Medical Corps in WW1. When he mustered out in 1920, he bought his sidearm, and that's the original receipt for it that the gun is lying on.

Would it be possible to see a close up or a scan of that receipt?

Thanks,
Kevin Williams
 
I have kept one; it's particularly interesting because it carries British proof marks. Whether it was lend-lease or not, I haven't a clue. Somewhere along the line it got repatriated.
John
After the Battle of France was lost, Dunkirk was evacuated in May and early June. The Brits and French had literally been pushed to the beach, and all troops that were leaving had left by June 4. Tens of thousands of French troops had to surrender because they could not be evacuated.
Britain had to assume invasion was iminent.

As Sir Winston said in the last paragraph of his speech to the House of Commons on June 4, 1940:
"I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty's Government-every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation. The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength. Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."

If you have never read this speech, READ it.
If you can find a recording in Churchill's voice, LISTEN to it.
Dear Lord, could any man give a better speech than Sir Winston?

With that background laid, the point of all this-
Roosevelt ordered that "surplus" WW I weapons be sold to Britain.
Some were:
A total of 500 of the Model 1899 Navy 38 M&P's and Model 1902 Navy M&P's
20,000 Model 1917's

You will see all 3 models occasinally from this sale.
They were delivered between June and Sept, 1940.
So, when you see one, you KNOW you are looking at an S&W that saw The Battle of Britain!
 
Roosevelt ordered that "surplus" WW I weapons be sold to Britain.
Some were:
A total of 500 of the Model 1899 Navy 38 M&P's and Model 1902 Navy M&P's
20,000 Model 1917's

You will see all 3 models occasinally from this sale.
They were delivered between June and Sept, 1940.
So, when you see one, you KNOW you are looking at an S&W that saw The Battle of Britain!

Lee,

Thanks for that additional information. Looks like I may have a Battle of Britain relic!

Best regards,
John
 
Thanks Muley Gil After reading your answer I looked up pictures of cavalry. I see how this draw would work. These holsters and 1917's are a real treat to see. I've always wanted one. I jumped at the chance to trade for a 1917 Colt years ago but I still want a Smith 1917.

By the way Winston Churchill was half American.
 
I have a question to all who use the M 1917 not only as a safe queen but for shooting the gun.

Do these M 1917 45 ACP revolvers regularly shoot to point of aim at 25 yards?

What about replacement parts? Are they still available today?

What should be considered when purchasing a M 1917 for using it as a working gun?

Thank you
 
Another Lend Lease with a bit of character.

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I have a question to all who use the M 1917 not only as a safe queen but for shooting the gun.

Do these M 1917 45 ACP revolvers regularly shoot to point of aim at 25 yards?

What about replacement parts? Are they still available today?

What should be considered when purchasing a M 1917 for using it as a working gun?

Thank you

My Smith & Wesson Model 1917 shoots to point of aim with most any 230 jacketed or cast lead .45 ACP factory equivalent load as well as heavier 250-255 grain cast lead bullets intended for use in .45 Colt.

My Colt Model 1917 groups well but shoot low and left with all the above loads.

Replacement parts? I've not required any replacement parts for the 1917's I've owned but the internet is your friend and scarcely anything can't be immediately found there...for a price.

Ask and ye shall receive. The Forum can be a great place to obtain needed parts and members appear to be considerate in trying to help out.

If you are going to put a Model 1917 to work (and there's no good reason not to do so) then just keep it cleaned and lubricated. Don't expect a really nice example to maintain its collectible value once put to work but a garden variety worn example could retain most of its value while giving service if cared for.

If they don't suffer from such stupidity as slinging the cylinder shut Hollywood style or abuse with over-hot handloads, the Model 1917 will likely give absolutely no trouble. They are pretty sturdy and spry for being 90-year-olds.
 
Curses. I got to play with one of those old $29.95 warhorses as a kid but by the time I had that kind of big bucks they had all been sold to more affluent collectors. Then the prices rocketted through the roof and stayed there. For decades now.

I have GOT to find myself a nice shooter 1917 one of these days, dang it...
 
Newbie here,just joined this forum for the main reason to research this piece I just accquired,rifling is excellent,action smooth as silk,serial # in the 33,000 range.Mainly was trying to figure a ball park value for insurance reasons,have seen everything upwards of $200 on,BUT,have at least learned some decent history.:D

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Cooker,

Who ever told you that '17 was only worth $200 was hoping to buy it from you. Not the best picture in the world but I think I see some original blue finish. Based on the prices I've been quoted (I'm looking for one too) your gun should start around $500 and upon closer examination might go higher.

Dave
 
Thanks Dave T,thought so,not really a collector,just tend to fall into stuff at times. The bluing looks to be all original with just a couple areas slightly "holster faded",looks a LOT better in person than the photo shows(light glare),when I get a chance an going to take some better shots.All writing is VERY legible,on barrel,under,and on butt plate,and no British marks(from what I read above),looks likme it belonged to an officer that probably had an office type job his whole life.I carried a Model 28 for 8 years in daily service that looked a lot worse.:o
 
Hi:
Was the boxed ammo for the Model 1917s already in the 1/2 moon clips?
Jimmy

Yes it was.
I call the long box the "zig-zag" type, and the second box the "spoons" type.
Spoons type is VERY rare- I have never seen another box!
 

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