Letter of authenticity - missed the cut!

It seems to me this is pretty straightforward. Regardless of age, all S&W letters have the same information, ie, general backround, where shipped, date and original configuration. On rare occassions, Mr. Jinks can add a little additional info. Neither S&W nor Roy Jinks, who BTW are the only people involved whose opinion matters, place any limitations on what age guns can be lettered. It thus follows that a person has a perfect right to letter any gun they want.

It matters not what the Gladys Kravitz's of the S&WCA or collecting community at large think. It is what it is...deal with it.

Bob
 
I know I'm swimming against the tide, but here it goes.

It was the easiest $30.00 S&W could ever hope to make, and good PR. Why should S&W or anyone else care what vintage gun people want to letter. I imagine the bean counters work pretty hard at the bottom line and price points on all their products, it's easy money! They should be more customer friendly and have better and quicker service for factory letters. Sending un-cashed checks back because they are behind in their advertised service? That's poor customer relations.

I appreciate that Mr. Jinks is a fine man and very available and approachable, that however doesn't relieve S&W of poor service.

Emory
 
I've followed this thread and there seems to be three approaches in the mix:

1. I collect old S&W's. How dare you get in line in front of me with that mundane, POS newer S&W. I have no patience; I don't want to wait 8 to 16 weeks; I want it NOW! Get out of my way! Mommy, make 'em move out of the way. Mommy! Mommy! Make 'em move!
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2. I have newer S&W's and I want a letter, cheap and fast. How dare they go up in price to 1/2 of what Colt charges and place a moritorium on accepting any new requests for a couple of months. And, on top of that, once I send in my $50 request in October, it's still going to take 8-12 week. This ain't fair, my S&W ain't worth enough to justify a whole $50.00, especially if I have to wait.
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3. Whatever. $30 was quite cheap and led me to requests letters on just about everything. Now, it will be $50, which is still more than fair, which will lead me to be more discriminating in my requests. As for the wait, it is what it is. My mother and teachers in school taught me that when waiting in line be patient, wait your turn, and shut up. Seems simple . . .
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I think the point that most folks miss is that issuing letters on S&W's from 1900 doesn't really affect the current company bottom line. They are in the business to produce and sell modern firearms. Yes, there is the customer service aspect, but remember, S&W does not own the factory records. Roy Jinks purchased the records from the Wesson family. They were in storage and the family was no longer interested in paying the storage fees since they no longer owned the company. Without Roy Jinks and his records, there would not be factory letters. Not sure how many of you are in business, but doing research and issuing and mailing a one or two page typed letter for $50 is pretty cheap.
 
I wish a letter was $30, but understand why it is $50.00. What I really worry about is what will happen when Roy is no longer willing/able to provide this service, and what may happen to these records. Information that a 1974 model 19 was sent to some wholesaler is pretty trivial, but there is some real history to some of these guns.
 
Mr. Jinks told me in a SHOT Show visit that the State Library will get the records when he cannot do it anymore. What do you suppose the cost will be then?
 
I have some old Smith's aad some new one's, but I need to know who died and made you GOD TO SAY WHO OR HOW MANY LETTERS one can get on a new gun. If I buy a new one that Lew Horton had made and only 250 was made, I what a letter for it for 10 years down the road. So being self cented as you are, you can blow it out your ***.
 
I would be curious how many of these Mr. Jinks does per day, and how organized the records are.

I do have a question a bit off (brand)topic. I think, one of the best things about these letters, is knowing to whom the S&W was originally sent, especially early on, when they were mostly sent to hardware stores, etc. before distributors, rather than individuals, really took over the business of dealing directly with the company.

Unfortunately, as far as I know with regards to the Cody Museum and the Marlin and Winchester records, they do not provide a destination for the rifles with their letters. Does anyone know why? Certainly these companies must have kept records of where they sent their products years ago.
 
I will still letter any of the older Smiths I find. I lettered my military Victory and very glad I did as it turned out to be an OSS gun. I also lettered the 10-13 just because of how few of them were made. The rest of the older ones just because I can and they are all interesting in their own way.

Thank you Mr. Jinks for this great service. Fifty dollars is still a bargain.
 
I would guess that at $30, money was actually lost each time. Anyone know how long it takes to research, prepare and produce a letter?

Mike
SWCA 1975
 
Originally posted by JudgeColt:
Mr. Jinks told me in a SHOT Show visit that the State Library will get the records when he cannot do it anymore. What do you suppose the cost will be then?

This seems to be a truely assinine move, on the part of Smith & Wesson. Surely there is an enthusiast amongst the ranks local to S&W who would step up to take over where Mr Jinks decides to leave off.
 
I believe that Mr. Jinks personally owns the records in question. I may be wrong but I dont think so. Maybe one of the more experienced collectors can expound.

Dan
 
I believe the records will go to the Connecticut Valley Historical Museum (the invoices are already on file there). Letters will continue through their efforts at some point in the (hopefully) very distant future when Roy no longer wants to write them.

Bill
 
Dan, Roy Jinks owns, or owned , the majority of the older S&W records, which he acquired from the Wesson family decendents and other sources. Most of these ( approx. 400,000+ pieces of paper,) are stored in the Conn. Valley Historical Museum vaults. The S&WCA has funded something like $150,000 over the years to perserve this material and catalog it, including some 1,500 guns from the factory collections. Not all the paper material is related to actual firearms - a lot of it is just daily business correspondence and other misc. material. One item I remember reading was a letter from D B. Wesson to his tailor complaining the tailor made D.B.'s shorts too tight! For years Roy has said that when he dies, his material goes to the CVHM and Factory letters as we know them, will cease - however some of us have argued with Roy over the years that another solution was possible. A tax exempt entity , Smith & Wesson Historical Foundation, has been founded by Ray Cheely, Jim Supica, Bill Cross, Roy, & others interested in preserving factory archives and historical letters, etc. which will eventually provide funds for digitizing all the gun info into one source, so that when a letter is requested you would get the original shipping info, a copy of the invoice and all other related material, such as work orders for later repairs or alterations to the same gun, etc. This will not happen tomorrow but the wheels are in motion to achieve this goal. See other threads on this site about the S&WHF. Having said all the above, collectors are still getting a bargain at $50 per letter. Roy is 'Retired" from S&W as a factory employee and is a contractor that furnishes historical info. to collectors, etc. plus PR appearances and other functions. The $50 fee covers the factory expenses related to his efforts. S&W management is not interested in having happy campers in the collecting fraternity, but are concentrating on the bottom line in their daily efforts to keep S&W in the black, which is a real chore in today's economy. Factory letters have come a long way in the last 75 years. The first letters I used to get were free, but usually said something like "Yes, you have a S&W revolver and we made it. Thanks for asking." After Roy was hired, they got a little better and were still free, but then they were raised to $5 ! Everbody howled about the big Rip Off! Gradually they went to $15, $20 and $30 and more info. was in each letter. At the now cost of $50, they are still a bargain, and I don't object to any collector who wants to spend $50 to letter any S&W, even if it was made yesterday. In fact. letters on recent production may be somewhat of a rarity as current records are not being kept in a fashion that is easy for Roy to locate, especially rarer guns from the Performance Center. There are other sources of older S&W records, not at the CVHM or in Roy's collection. The Univ. of Massachusetts library has quite a collection and several private collectors have materials purchased at Gun Shows and from dealers. If you have contacts and access to any of those areas, you can do extensive research on older S&Ws sometimes. Dan. you asked "What Time it Is?" and I've told you how to make a watch! Sorry about that! Ed.
 
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