Lever action assault rifles

[AJ]

Speaking as someone who has a GWOT medal (the kind issued for being "around at the time" as opposed to being "there"), and being former Army before the Navy, so I do understand military rifles, let me state categorically that "tacticool" is not a denigration of any law enforcement or military personnel, but it is, without a doubt, a derogatory term and a denigration of exactly what BB57 describes hereinabove. Nuf sed...........

I was around for a couple of tours in SEA and for Desert Storm 1. To me "tacticool" for the most part is for the Wannabes. I see a lot of folks on the range that bring out those types of firearms and have no real clue how to use them.

 

[Stickgunner]

I was around for a couple of tours in SEA and for Desert Storm 1. To me "tacticool" for the most part is for the Wannabes. I see a lot of folks on the range that bring out those types of firearms and have no real clue how to use them.

I think of it as cheap crappy parts on a firearm with someone who isn't proficient in its use.

 

[DixieRanger]

Yes, thread is very revealing and run much further than I thought. Surprized of what folks consider 'assault weapons'. Since it was brought up...'tacticool' as I see it refers to those folks that hang as much as possible on a rifle and now shotguns with no redeeming usage. Remember years ago at a 3gun match guys pulled up in a van. When they got out they were wearing OD military overalls and each had comms headset on. Unlimbering their firearms they were tacticool. Civilians all. They made an impression and not in a positive way. And so it goes.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Stickgunner wrote: I think of it as cheap crappy parts on a firearm with someone who isn't proficient in its use.

I beg to differ. Some of these so-called "tacticool" firearms are expensive, with expensive parts attached. The price is not the point. Lots of "wannabees" have money and spend it on excess equipment that they think makes them world-class survivalists or, worse yet, top-notch warriors. And being proficient or becoming proficient is not the point, either. It's the attitude and the why, not the machinery itself.

 

[AJ]

I beg to differ. Some of these so-called "tacticool" firearms are expensive, with expensive parts attached. The price is not the point. Lots of "wannabees" have money and spend it on excess equipment that they think makes them world-class survivalists or, worse yet, top-notch warriors. And being proficient or becoming proficient is not the point, either. It's the attitude and the why, not the machinery itself.

Yoda, You are correct in the attitude of the individual and the why they do it. But also it is the proper training. I taught a lot of sailors Combat Pistol and Combat Shotgun. In some they had the attitude and in some we had to instill the attitude. The why they did it was of their own volition. We gave them the proper training.

 

[BloodyThumb]

I want an assault lever action, and a top fuel bicycle, and a slip-joint pocket machete, and an un-biased news source.

 

[Rocketmedic40]

Sturm is Storm in English.
and Sturm means just that,,a weather event/storm

More than a few ways to say Assault or Attack etc
Ubergriff (Put one of those umlauts over the U)
Angreifen
..and others.

I'm in pre-school when it comes to German language but there are many ways the rifle could have been 'named' to show what it was intended to do in the hands of the German forces.
That they picked Sturm/StormRifle it must have had the meaning in it they were wanting to imply.

Would you rather clear a mix of open and confined space with a bolt-action Mauser, or an Mp40, or an STG?

 

[Rocketmedic40]

Bobby Jones drove a 600 yard par 5 green in two shots with clubs made out of sticks and pieces of wood.
45-70 as a tactical cartridge. Nope not 30-06. Nope not .308 NATO. I like the 1200 yard effective range of the 6.5 Creedmore. Beats all of those others and weighs only a fraction of their weight. 65k pressure and 2700 FPS, 140 grain bullets.
Almost 1/4 mile effective range.
I prefer Strategic advantages.
"Tactical" is beaten by Strategic every time.
We learned the value of the 30-06 when it faced the 8MM Mauser.
The value of the 7 MM Mauser when it faced .303 British.
Just haul around 100 rounds of 45-70 and then compare it to 6.5 Creedmore.
One may be Tactical, but the other makes tactical obsolete.

Eh, technological artifacts. .45-70 and .303 British were artifacts of their time, and in those contexts, they were reasonable- the .45-70 for a brief window of time at the dawn of the modern era, the .303 a similar artifact but of far more utility and adaptability, arguably near-equivalent to its successors. The .30-06 and the 7.92 Mauser rounds were the ultimate fruits of this development tree and were excellent in all aspects of performance by the metrics of power, accuracy and efficiency in "combat"…the vast majority of which was through the lens of machine guns and long-range shooting from platforms like aircraft and tanks. If it was only rifles, I think we'd have seen a 6mm rifle a lot sooner

 

[xfarfuldog]

By definition asssault rifles can fire full auto, therefore not an assault rifle. Unless they figure out a way to keep the lever from hitting your hand in full auto?? LOL

 

[2152hq]

Would you rather clear a mix of open and confined space with a bolt-action Mauser, or an Mp40, or an STG?

You quoted my post above to make your posting.
Mine was simply about the meaning of the word 'Sturm' and hopefully clarifying it's meaning.
As I stated,,Sturm is a weather event,, like a snow storm (schneesturm) .
It does not mean to attack or assault as is generally accepted.

My question is... What if anything, does your response w/ hypothetical question have to do with my post?

 

[biku324]

You quoted my post above to make your posting.
Mine was simply about the meaning of the word 'Sturm' and hopefully clarifying it's meaning.
As I stated,,Sturm is a weather event,, like a snow storm (schneesturm) .
It does not mean to attack or assault as is generally accepted.

My question is... What if anything, does your response w/ hypothetical question have to do with my post?

For heaven's sake, didn't Allies storm the beaches on D-Day and on Pacific Islands? It's also a transive or intransitive verb.

storm

2 of 2​

verb

stormed; storming; storms
intransitive verb

1​

a
: to blow with violence
b
: to rain, hail, snow, or sleet vigorously

2​

: to attack by storm
stormed ashore at zero hour

3​

: to be in or to exhibit a violent passion : rage
storming at the unusual delay

4​

: to rush about or move impetuously, violently, or angrily
the mob stormed through the streets

transitive verb

: to attack, take, or win over by storm
storm a fort

 

[2152hq]

Thank you the definitions of the English language word 'storm'

 

[biku324]

The Deutsche meaning is nearly identical:

"Sturm" English translation

"Sturm": Maskulinum
Sturm
[ʃtʊrm] m <Sturm(e)s; Stürme>
Overview of all translations
(For more details, click/tap on the translation)
strong wind, storm, gale storm, tempest gust, squall, blast hurricane storm, assault, attack, charge

Sturm - Translation in English - Langenscheidt dictionary German-English

Translation for 'Sturm' using the free German-English dictionary by LANGENSCHEIDT -– with examples, synonyms and pronunciation.

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[damienph]

I have a few lever action rifles (13?) and don't really care for these "tactical" models. HOWEVER…. If it gets new guys interested in shooting sports, I am all for them!!

 

[biku324]

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I have a few lever action rifles (13?) and don't really care for these "tactical" models. HOWEVER…. If it gets new guys interested in shooting sports, I am all for them!!

I used to scoff at levers after a bad experience in '73 or '74 with a Winchester 1894. But I got a hard-used Marlin 1894c in the late '90s; after replacing the carrier, ejector, and thoroughly cleaning the action and magazine tube, it ran like a sewing machine and was wonderfully accurate.

As I look at my safe now, I suddenly have a Marlin in 405 JESS, Ruger/Marlin 1894c, and a Henry in 41. Guess I learned something in 50-odd years.

 

[Navy vet]

Nothing wrong with that.

LPVOs work great on the AR platform. I have a mid quality Vortex 6-24x50 ($400ish) on a 350Legend AR that I use for Hunting Deer. Not a LPVO but I do have a LPVO on my 556 AR. And personally I would NEVER spend 10K on a range toy which that would be. Can you really see a person going in the woods with that? And I agree, remove the "Assault" label.

 

[Eddie Southgate]

I think the idea and the price range mentioned are both about stupid . Adding the term Assault to anything is asking for the nuts to start attacking it as an evil weapon that kills mass numbers of people with no human help needed.

 

[hammondo]

Eh, technological artifacts. .45-70 and .303 British were artifacts of their time, and in those contexts, they were reasonable- the .45-70 for a brief window of time at the dawn of the modern era, the .303 a similar artifact but of far more utility and adaptability, arguably near-equivalent to its successors. The .30-06 and the 7.92 Mauser rounds were the ultimate fruits of this development tree and were excellent in all aspects of performance by the metrics of power, accuracy and efficiency in "combat"…the vast majority of which was through the lens of machine guns and long-range shooting from platforms like aircraft and tanks. If it was only rifles, I think we'dMy

My understanding if 45-70 production ceased in the 1960s. As a result Marlin developed and delivered on the 444 Marlin cartridge to fill the vacuum. I was on a fishing trip and conversing with the boat captain about bear hunting. His thoughts "if you want to take down a bear, use 444 Marlin" so....I looked on Gun Broker not long after that and found a pristine 1970s Marlin 444S. I grabbed it and have only fired one round through it. Another lever gun I have been looking at for several years now is the Big Horn Armory Model 89 White Lightning in 500 S&W Magnum. On Sunday I bit on that. Supposed to ship in 6-8 weeks. Something to keep my 444S which presently is my only lever action rifle, company in my safe;-)

 

[biku324]

The CDC shooting wherein the attempted murderer fired 500 rounds (from guns stolen from his father) will only add grist for the mill. Most were from a "...long gun...".

 

[Rocketmedic40]

The CDC shooting wherein the attempted murderer fired 500 rounds (from guns stolen from his father) will only add grist for the mill. Most were from a "...long gun...".

AR? I mean, 500 rounds though any lever is going to be hot and unwieldy