Yes Sir. Slugged the cylinder, then checked it with a tenth micrometer. I used dead soft lead, so I doubt it had any *spring back*.
I didn't check the bore. I'm sure it's smaller than the throats in the cylinder.
Loaded some .44 Magnum with H110 and standard primers...
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Yes Sir. Slugged the cylinder, then checked it with a tenth micrometer. I used dead soft lead, so I doubt it had any *spring back*.
I didn't check the bore. I'm sure it's smaller than the throats in the cylinder.
Dragon88
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Winchester says their Large Pistol are good for standard or magnum loads, so I would treat them as a magnum. However, there are standard and magnum variants of their Small Pistol.
I have had best results with the Federal Match magnum primers and H110/W296. CCI work well too but I like the Fed.
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If I remember correctly Skeeter was using 2400 for those magnum rounds in which case I agree with his findings. When loading 2400 a standard primer does deliver more consistent results. BUT, when using a hard to ignite ball powder like H110/W296 I've always found the use of a magnum primer works out much better. SD numbers climb and are all over the place without using a magnum primer. It all depends upon what powder you're using.
Snapping Twig
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YMMV, but in my case, it works.
I tried it because he mentioned H110, until that time I hadn't used it.
Case sizing and crimp play a big role, without this the numbers bounce all over the place like you mentioned.
I get no unburned powder, very accurate and consistent results.
ArchAngelCD
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I wasn't saying you are wrong, I was only relating my experiences. If it works for you then it's good. The OP can read what we all say and choose for himself. It's all good as long as it's not dangerous...
Using standard primers with H110 is not something I planned on doing, just happened. I have always used a magnum primer with it in the past.
I could pull the ammo down if I needed to, but CCI says it'll work in 90 degree heat, and this will be a one time deal only.
I could pull the ammo down if I needed to, but CCI says it'll work in 90 degree heat, and this will be a one time deal only.
WHO CARES
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In a recent Federal Premium Ammunition publication, I've noticed that they list the primer they are using in all the Premium ammo they're making. All of the loads listed for the 44 Magnum used their #150 standard large pistol primer. These loads ranged from the 225 grain Barnes Copper HP to the 300 special cast bullet - all of their best for hunting.
I have been reading on Cast Bullet forums of others that have gone to the Federal 150 for all their shooting in 44 Mag and heavy 45 Colt with slow powders like 296/H110 and are getting good consistent results!
I have been switching over and am just getting into testing - I believe it is worth a try.
Ward
I have been reading on Cast Bullet forums of others that have gone to the Federal 150 for all their shooting in 44 Mag and heavy 45 Colt with slow powders like 296/H110 and are getting good consistent results!
I have been switching over and am just getting into testing - I believe it is worth a try.
Ward
I'm interested to know the truth about this. I'm going to locate a chronograph somewhere to check these loads, just so we'll all know. But it will only apply to warm weather. I plan to always use magnum primers when called for by the loading manuals for going up into the Rockies.
Here's a pic of the gun. A 29-3 with French bastogne walnut grips made by Kurac. I think the grips look great on nickel. Man I like Kurac's grips.
Here's a pic of the gun. A 29-3 with French bastogne walnut grips made by Kurac. I think the grips look great on nickel. Man I like Kurac's grips.
Littledragon777
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I load 23 grains of 296 with 240gr,XTPs using standard WLP primers as recommended by my Hornady load book. I have no problems using them all year around and have taken several nice whitetaik in some cold weather without any problems. While I have not chronographed them they do a great job on deer and are very accurate also out of my Super Redhawk. Can't see any reason for me to go to magnum primers.
rck281
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Winchester doesn't even make two kinds of large pistol primers. WLP are used for all loads.
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This is correct.Consider that the WLP primer is used in the data from many sources and that includes with W296/H110.
While you may make an issue of the fact that the CCI300 is not exactly the same primer,consider that they're not "extremely" different.
If that's not enough,consider the fact that a slightly older Lyman manual of mine does give data with the CCI300 and W296/H110.A later issued manual from that company shows the CCI350 being used with those powders but the difference in the suggested min and max loads between the two manuals is just half a grain apart.
I would shoot those rounds without any concern.
Dragon88
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It's not really an issue of charge, it's a matter of consistent burn. In an extreme scenario, say with a charge of H110/W296 way below minimum and a standard primer on a cold day etc etc etc, in theory the charge could detonate instead of burn normally. I don't really like spreading this possibility/rumor because I have never heard of an actual instance of this happening. Hodgdon's instructions are to reduce by no more than 3% and to use magnum primers, however, so that's what I stick with and recommend to others.
I *have* noticed when doing a ladder and working up a load, the lightest charges of H110/W296 I try will have a a much higher extreme spread. Once I get within Hodgdon's min/max data, that's where I find my most accurate and consistent load.
I *have* noticed when doing a ladder and working up a load, the lightest charges of H110/W296 I try will have a a much higher extreme spread. Once I get within Hodgdon's min/max data, that's where I find my most accurate and consistent load.
I use 22.0g H110 with a 240g JHP and a mag primer. That's Speer 14's starting load, and it works well for me. I prefer H110 to 2400 because I like the greater recoil and muzzle flash. May not be "logical" but it's more fun!
I don't place much credibility to flattened primers. Cratered yet, but flattened with no other signs of pressure at a min load, no issue. Heck, all of my 10mm primers get flattened somewhat.
I don't place much credibility to flattened primers. Cratered yet, but flattened with no other signs of pressure at a min load, no issue. Heck, all of my 10mm primers get flattened somewhat.
wallacem
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I made that mistake of using standard primers with H110 in a 357 MAX MANY YEARS AGO, AND THEY WOULD NOT IGNITE. That is the only time I stuck a bullet in the bbl. Learned a good lesson, and it was the first time I had ever used H110. It was also the first time I used a powder that required magnum primers. But what do I know,,,,,,,,, Wallacem in Georgia
All the manuals I have read say to use mag primers with H110. So I do.
Oddly, some manuals call for mag primers with 2400 and some do not. I think I even read somewhere NEVER to use mag primers with 2400 due to pressure issues.
And some people say that mag primers are OK in 9mm and .40 as long as the charge is on the low side. I've done that with no issues.
Oddly, some manuals call for mag primers with 2400 and some do not. I think I even read somewhere NEVER to use mag primers with 2400 due to pressure issues.
And some people say that mag primers are OK in 9mm and .40 as long as the charge is on the low side. I've done that with no issues.
Dragon88
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Alliant recommends standard primers for 2400 so that's what I use. I have heard that Alliant specifically warns against using magnum primers with this powder, but I could not find that in writing.
This is something you yourself have to try side by side. I did. I found the standard primers(Federal) produce considerably tighter group than the mag primers(Federal). The most of info on loading 44mag with H110/W296 recomend mag primers and often, they say standard primers won't work under extreme cold condition. That may be true but I have never experienced it. Although, since I shoot year around and sometimes it gets 20 below, I tested Wincester large pistol, thinking they are a little hotter than Federal standard. The result was good and now I only use Winchester Large Pistol for .44mag and .41mag with H110/W296.
