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My wife was in a head on accident at slow speed the air bag didn't even go off. The car however was disabled, the other driver had driven a ways before stopping and my wife thought she left. My wife got out of her car to talk to a witness and when she got back into her car with out locking her door. she had 911 on the phone when her door was ripped open and the other drive started to threaten she was going to rip her out of the car and beat the sht out of her. She was demanding money and very aggressive lucky a passerby got her attention so my wife could get her door shut and locked. The accident was caught on video and of course the 911 call is taped. the 911 operator hearing everything knew this was a situation that could get very ugly fast and sent many LEOS and they came in fast.
My wife handled the situation with no eye contact, did not respond in any way she just stay focused on the dispatcher and his questions.
it makes me wonder if I had been along and not being there but only from what I have been told I am thinking I would have drawn on her, and if I had would things have really turned ugly. As it was things turned out O.K. a disabled car, a shaken up wife all things that can be taken care of. But what if a gun got involved?
If your wondering the other driver was ticketed for driving in the wrong lane, driving after rev, and of course no insurance.
 
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Scary situation. Glad your wife is ok, she handled it the best she could under the circumstances.
In my area there is hardly any traffic enforcement anymore. Lots of people driving with no insurance in unregistered cars. The speeds on town streets is a little crazy.
Be careful out there.
 
Just my opinion… and only my opinion … but your stated facts would not justify drawing your weapon unless the subject escalated to the point where you were in fear for your or your wife's life and deadly force was justified. Did the police take any criminal action for her behavior or just the traffic ticket?
 
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Always locking car doors is wise, but as in this instance, it just may not happen. This is one of those times when having "force multipliers" of less lethal consequences—the force continuum—might have been useful, for instance, pepper spray.

However, it sounds like the situation was handled appropriately as described.
 
A little more info, my wife is 68yo and 90+lbs the other drive early 20's and built. how long does it take for the other driver to remove her from her seat and beat her? remember she does not have a seat belt on.
I wish you could hear the 911 call, my wife is in real fear of bodily injury.
she was also afraid she was going to have a heart attact, her Heart beat was 191

no criminal charges.
 
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Yes, no cause for you to draw. None.

Doubt the aggressive lowlife woman would have behaved so badly, had you been in the car with your wife. Your wife handled it fine given the situation. Sorry to hear it happened.

Now you and your insurance company need to take lowlife to court. What a time sucking venture.
 
During my LE career, I figured that about 10% of the population was either accident prone or prone to criminal behavior or were just plain irresponsible persons. They seem to populate the far left of the bell curve of human behavior.

Looks like one of the 10% ran into your wife. I'm glad that your wife is OK. Sadly, lawsuits will not bother the miscreant in the least as she probably lives day to day, has no savings and probably lives on subsidies from the government. She'll get a slap on the wrist for her driving and then she'll be off to disrupt someone else's life. I saw it time and time again as an LEO.
 
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In our crazy world - "woman" is only a descriptive choice

Laketime said:
I would like to think you could of handled the situation without drawing a weapon. She was a woman after all.
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You NEVER know the perspective of folks, sometimes even with the closest of friends. "Normal" is a word with parameters too broad to quantify. That said, many "Feel" like they don't fit in. Perhaps it's an evolutionary trend?

Anyway, women feel the same variety of protective/aggressive emotions as men. There are ladies I know who carry and train regularly.
 
Laketime said:
I would like to think you could of handled the situation without drawing a weapon. She was a woman after all.
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You are using "old think"- that may be a female, definitely not a lady. Don't judge all women through the filter you have developed dealing with ladies.

An old partner of mine once said, "you know they'll gut you and eat your liver for lunch."
 
adwjc said:
You are using "old think"- that may be a female, definitely not a lady. Don't judge all women through the filter you have developed dealing with ladies.

An old partner of mine once said, "you know they'll gut you and eat your liver for lunch."
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There's plenty of nasty ones out there, more so than men, in my experience.

OK, do I need a lawyer? :D
 
adwjc's post reminded me of an incident, very early in my LE career, that taught me well about 'ladies'. I was a rookie deputy in the jail, before I transferred out to patrol, so zero field experience. I was called to go into the women's section as one of the PDs was bringing in a combative female. My job was to stand by while the prisoner was received. The arresting officer was pretty big guy who was older than me and had a lot of patrol experience working in a tough city. As soon as he uncuffed the maiden she quickly turned and kneed him where it hurts. She obviously had done this before as she was very efficient. He of course went down like someone had dropped a sack of cement on his head. The female jail deputy would have been no match for her. I had been positioned in a flanking position to the side/rear of the prisoner. I wrapped my arms around her from the rear so that she had no use of her hands and could not kick. She was a real wild cat. The female deputy (we called them matrons then) called for another matron, and they were able to cuff the prisoner while I restrained her. The PD officer was completely out of the fray during all of this. By the time he recovered enough to get up, the scrap was over.

Shortly thereafter I learned that our deputies had arrested this same young lady several weeks prior. Because she was female they did not cuff her. Enroute to the jail she completely tore up the interior of the patrol unit aft of the cage. She shredded the heavy duty seat upholstery, ripped out the headliner, and tore out the red and amber lights attached to the package shelf behind the rear seat. When the deputies arrived at the jail, and were going to offload her, the battle really picked up. This was before we had a jail with a sally port and was far before the advent of mace or pepper spray. In other words, no easy way to gain compliance from a berserk drunk.

Out of all this an impressionable rookie learned a valuable lesson without the agony of experience. Once I got to patrol I found that a very large proportion of female arrestees are so inclined if any opportunity presents itself.

They are not ladies. Lesson well learned and then passed on for the rest of my LE and teaching careers.
 
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The OP's wife's situation is the perfect application for pepper spray. You don't have a reason to draw a firearm, but you have an aggressive individual at contact distance threatening you. The hot sauce to the nose and eyes will calm that situation down PDQ while the LEOs are on the way.
 
In quite a few states saying," I'm going to beat your —-" is assault and can get one time in the slammer. Pretty sure these days it may not as its pertty common saying. Agree that pepper spray would have been the cats meow.
 
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Borderboss said:
The OP's wife's situation is the perfect application for pepper spray. You don't have a reason to draw a firearm, but you have an aggressive individual at contact distance threatening you. The hot sauce to the nose and eyes will calm that situation down PDQ while the LEOs are on the way.
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Can you shoot someone for throwing Mayo at you?

Florida Burger King employee Shateasha Hicks shoots customer who threw mayo at her


Probably wasn't Hellman's that's why. :D


I have pepper spray at the ready in my car.

I've been carrying 35+ years, never shot anyone, don't intend to start. I use my street smarts to stay out of trouble. Worked fine so far.
 
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