Duly Noted.
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Think perhaps some of the posters here suggesting this wasn't a potential deadly force scenario need to revisit the facts of the original post and cross reference them against legal concepts such as disparity of force, ability, opportunity, jeopardy and preclusion; or, innocence, imminence, proportionality, avoidance and reasonableness.
Depending on local laws and DA's attitude, some of us might not have a good self-defense case here but OP's wife likely would. In some states, just hostilely approaching and opening someone's car door or advancing through their window triggers lethal self defense justification. Food for thought.
As to pepper spray/OC -- a good enough sometimes tool but should be understood to effectively deter about only half the time. Factor that into your plans...
Depending on local laws and DA's attitude, some of us might not have a good self-defense case here but OP's wife likely would. In some states, just hostilely approaching and opening someone's car door or advancing through their window triggers lethal self defense justification. Food for thought.
As to pepper spray/OC -- a good enough sometimes tool but should be understood to effectively deter about only half the time. Factor that into your plans...
Duly Noted.
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Doug M.
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I'd say that looking at this as a situation in which drawing/pointing is not justified is probably complacent. This will of course vary by the political environment in which you live. My policy is that no door is ever unlocked except to pass through it. Period.
My wife is small and has a real bad back. I'm not sure she could fight a 6 year old. The good news is that she often has a 95 lb. rottie mix with her, who is more than a little protective.
My wife is small and has a real bad back. I'm not sure she could fight a 6 year old. The good news is that she often has a 95 lb. rottie mix with her, who is more than a little protective.
I've seen those statistics relative to stun guns, but not pepper spray. Can you direct us to your source?
I got a BYRNA pepper ball pistol that fires OC and CS combo balls that will make you beg for mercy after two of those followed by a hard plastic kinetic ball. Leaves a circular bruise that looks like you got ringworm on steroids and makes you shed real tears. Ask me how I know.
I didn't cite an absolute number because there isn't one that I'm aware of, one that would ideally be the product of a variety of cross-referenced studies -- instead, pretty much only this lone one which found a 30% fail rate due to variability in the capsaicinoid concentrations:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0269/6417/files/hplc_utah_study.pdf?16129201179768941583
But based on the individual reporting of multiple LEOs with extensive patrol experience and OC use, the takeaway is it may yield compliance and it may not, based on several factors that can't always be anticipated, much less controlled.
Point being, if pepper spray is part of your self-defense plan, know its limitations in both delivery method and effectiveness and the very real chance of not yielding the desired result -- and so a plan for that eventuality.
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The woman was a miscreant and should probably be put in jail for her behavior. If she did it once, she probably has done it before and will do it again.
On the other hand.......knowing how she acted would make me fear that if she were confronted by the authorities on your behalf she might just come after you in retaliation.
My gut feeling is that if the police file charges, so be it. As long as you are paid for the damages to the vehicle, just let it go. If not, sue for the damages. But I would not go the criminal charge route because I wouldn't want a criminal to have a personal grudge against me.
I know that may sound wussy, but sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
