Longhorns and Cattle Drives

[UncleEd]

Another somewhat notable fort along the Army's string of commands to guard the frontier was Ft. Griffin. Also, don't forget Ft. Concho in San Angelo.

Now, who can tell me in what movie did John Wayne play a fictitious character representing a Civil War Illinois cavalryman who later took over command of Ft. Davis and fought the Mescalero under Victorio?

 

[Iggy]

Even today cattle buyers will cut off anything that's got "too much ear on him" meaning it has some Longhorn characteristics.
They don't put on weight like the modern beef producing breeds do.

 

[Hellraiser]

This is a great thread... and good timing for me. I'm studyin' up on the history of the cattle drives, etc... of Texas.

Plan on going on a ride there next spring...
~ Comanche Moon ~

 

[THE PILGRIM]

Now, who can tell me in what movie did John Wayne play a fictitious character representing a Civil War Illinois cavalryman who later took over command of Ft. Davis and fought the Mescalero under Victorio?[/QUOTE]

Maybe Rio Grande?
Another good Duke movie is Fort Apache. Interesting thing about Ft. Apache, it's now owned by the Apaches. The Ft. Apache, AZ postoffice is located in a ex Army building.

 

[Hellraiser]

Maybe Rio Grande?
Another good Duke movie is Fort Apache. Interesting thing about Ft. Apache, it's now owned by the Apaches. The Ft. Apache, AZ postoffice is located in a ex Army building.

And don't forget the third and last of the John Wayne Cavalry trilogy... She Wore a Yellow Ribbon..

But I think all of those John Ford (directed) movies were filmed in Monument Valley.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

And don't forget the third and last of the John Wayne Cavalry trilogy... She Wore a Yellow Ribbon..

But I think all of those John Ford (directed) movies were filmed in Monument Valley.

Oh yes! Yellow Ribbon is my favorite Duke movie, in fact it may be my favorite movie period.

 

[UncleEd]

Well, it is a John Ford movie but it takes place during the Civil War and has nothing to do with fighting the Apaches. That came later in the real-life career of the Union officer, who by the way was a music teacher.

The character Wayne loosely portrayed also in real life was one of the few white Army officers of upper rank willing to take command of a Buffalo Soldier cavalry regiment, of which there were two, the 9th and 10th.

 

[Iggy]

Been on enuff week long cattle drives with fat, tame critters to have a lot of respect for those kids that brought them rangey hay burners from Texas to Wyoming and Montana.

Many of them passed near or across what would become our ranch 25 years later.

It's no wonder many of them stayed here, they didn't to ride all the way home.

 

[keith44spl]

Red River Station was south of the Red River at Salt Creek in north western Montague County, Texas

Cattle driven along this branch of the Chisolm Trail crossed at Red River Station on their way north..........

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[OLDNAVYMCPO]

This is a great thread... and good timing for me. I'm studyin' up on the history of the cattle drives, etc... of Texas.
Hellraiser, you need to check out the books by J. Frank Dobie, the ultimate authority on the Texas cattle industry. He wrote a number of books on the Longhorns, cowboys and early cattlemen. His books, I believe were published by the Univ. of Texas Press.

 

[X Ring Ranch]

Red River Station was south of the Red River at Salt Creek in north western Montague County, Texas

Cattle driven along this branch of the Chisolm Trail crossed at Red River Station on their way north..........

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I have been on both side of that crossing. It must have a rock bottom or quick sand would have got a bunch of them

Go east towards I35E was old Camp Houze. US Army training base and POW camp. As you go north on I35 and just before you cross the river was where my relatives leased the old base to run cattle. It had a flowing well that spewed water out of the ground 15 or 20 feet in about a 8 in stream. On top of a hill about 1/2 east of I35 is a grave. It is marked where a woman died in the 1800's.

If a grass fire broke out you needed to leave the place. They didn't clean up the place after WW2 and left all sorts of live ordinance. I have been on horseback and seen live mines, grenades, and bazooka shells.

Red River has some interesting history and now BLM wants to seize it from the landowners.

Google: Red River Rumble.com




Dwight

 

[X Ring Ranch]

Been on enuff week long cattle drives with fat, tame critters to have a lot of respect for those kids that brought them rangey hay burners from Texas to Wyoming and Montana.

Many of them passed near or across what would become our ranch 25 years later.

It's no wonder many of them stayed here, they didn't to ride all the way home.

The reason that some stayed was because they were Wanted - Dead or Alive in Texas.

Just kidding !

 

[joeintexas]

If you are ever in Abilene there is an excellent museum and presentation called "Frontier Texas". It features holograms that appear to be live of cattle drives, buffalo by the millions that roamed the area and of course Comanche indian attacks. Several forts are also featured. If in town it is well worth the time spent.

 

[Iggy]

The reason that some stayed was because they were Wanted - Dead or Alive in Texas.

Just kidding !

Oh I can believe that, and their descendants ain't changed much.

 

[Hellraiser]

Hellraiser, you need to check out the books by J. Frank Dobie, the ultimate authority on the Texas cattle industry. He wrote a number of books on the Longhorns, cowboys and early cattlemen. His books, I believe were published by the Univ. of Texas Press.

Thanks, OLDNAVYMCPO... that was great advice. I'm an avid reader... mainly cause I spend a lot of time alone with my friend and brother... my good horse, Cowboy. Gatherin' up a bunch of books for my saddlebags... to read durin' this fall's horse-ridin...

Since you pointed 'em out... just bought these on Amazon...
Tales of Old-Time Texas
The Longhorns
A Vaquero of the Brush Country: The Life and Times of John D. Young
Cow People
The Mustangs
Up the Trail from Texas

Thanks again, Pard... I owe ya.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

Know a guy here in town. He was raised on a ranch out in West Texas around Marathon. When he was just a lad, his Dad and Grandpa would go into Mexico, buy cattle and herd them back. Pat would ride on the wagon which was driven by his Grandpa. Sort of like Lonesome Dove without the shooting.
Later on the family was rewarded by an ample supply of Texas Tea.
Pat's wife is from Pecos. And yes she knew Billy Sol Estes. She used to swim in his pool, but only on girls day. Billy Sol didn't think boys and girls should swim together.
West Texas folks are extremely interesting!

 

[X Ring Ranch]

Oh I can believe that, and their descendants ain't changed much.

How are cattle thefts in your area?

The Non-citizens from south of the border are wearing us out.
They steal goats and sheep. Their are some reports of cattle being killed and their hindquarters removed in the pasture. The rest in left to rot. You can't have a stocked deer camp cabin anymore. They come across and steal it all. It is worse than what you are seeing or hearing on TV.

 

[Iggy]

We always seem to wind up with couple of losses we can't account for but with 45K
Acres and lots of coyotes,eagles, and buzzards, a dead critter can disappear pretty quick.
We always wonder about rustling, but seldom find evidence of such.

Rustlers are too lazy to come out in the country as far as we are. There is easier pickings closer to town.

 

[SmokewagonSD]

Even today cattle buyers will cut off anything that's got "too much ear on him" meaning it has some Longhorn characteristics.
They don't put on weight like the modern beef producing breeds do.

Too much ear also denotes cattle with Brahman blood, just as tough and nasty as longhorns.

 

[Iggy]

Too much ear also denotes cattle with Brahman blood, just as tough and nasty as longhorns.

Yup, you can bend your fork on the gravy.