Looking to buy my first .45

Geo9547

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I have decided to buy my first .45 (have a Smith 22A and 357 Mag, plus a Glock 17 9mm). I plan to trade the Glock in. I looked at the M&P series of 45's but I really like the looks of the 1911 Series E and have been reading great things about the gun. One thing I am trying to decide on is if I want the CT Laser grips. I am not very good with just the irons (64 yrs old and only started shooting 2 months ago for the first time ever). Would appreciate any advice/comments on the 1911 in general and the laser grips specifically. I could add the CT grips later, right?
 
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the ct's can be added later. they are avail. at almost any gun store. the 1911 platform is a tried and true platform. it is also a tough platform to use without practice. some are ammo sensitive. the external safty takes time to get used to. i would not plan on this to be a CCW, unless you get some proper training. i have several 1911s from different manufactures. i carry my s&w model 66, and a 442-2 for my daily. good luck and practice is the key to profiency!
 
The 1911 is is a wonderful firearm and the choices are numerous. You can purchase a 1911 from $500/600, up to $4500/7500 Customs should you so choose.:cool:

The Laser sights can be added at anytime. You MUST PRACTICE with the 1911, both to become a proficient shooter with it and to REMEMBER TO REMOVE THE SAFETY ON THE DRAW (for CCW).IF you have an armed conflict use and you forget the safety, you'll be in DEEP DO-DO.

The 1911 SINGLE STACK (7-1 or 8-1) 1911 fits many peoples hand, just like a glove.

Good luck with your choices.
 
Sig also makes a good 1911 for the money. I carry a Sig 1911 compact. Has been flawless from day one.
 
If you sell the Glock and get a S&W 1911 you do nothing wrong ;)

I personally dislike lasers and lights on a gun. Just for the simple reason that not just you can see better with the laser/light, also your enemy (intruder, burglar, etc.) see where you at.

But that's just my opinion.
 
I applaud your choice of the 1911. There is a reason this model has been around so long. Personally, I would opt for night sights before I got laser grips. With night sights and some dedicated practice, you might find you no longer need the laser. Whatever you decide, I hope you enjoy the 1911 platform as much as I do. Also, you might want to look at some of the 2nd and 3rd generation S&W .45s semis. I have a 4566 that I wouldn't trade for anything.
 
Personally, I would opt for night sights before I got laser grips. With night sights and some dedicated practice, you might find you no longer need the laser.

X2. Night sights are just awesome.

Also, you might want to look at some of the 2nd and 3rd generation S&W .45s semis. I have a 4566 that I wouldn't trade for anything.

Same here with my 745 :)
 
If you're not stuck on a 1911 the I'd suggest you look closely at a Sig Sauer P 220.
 
I have decided to buy my first .45 (have a Smith 22A and 357 Mag, plus a Glock 17 9mm). I plan to trade the Glock in. I looked at the M&P series of 45's but I really like the looks of the 1911 Series E and have been reading great things about the gun. One thing I am trying to decide on is if I want the CT Laser grips. I am not very good with just the irons (64 yrs old and only started shooting 2 months ago for the first time ever). Would appreciate any advice/comments on the 1911 in general and the laser grips specifically. I could add the CT grips later, right?

Since we're on the S-W forum, you own two Smiths and are looking for advice for another... :) I know the tempation for other suggestions is just over whelming, but I'll keep it to what I believe you are asking.

I own both 45's, the M&P and 5 of the SW1911's, including one E series. I love shooting them both, the M&P is the softest 45 I've ever shot and dead accurate. My SW1911's, shoot pretty similarly and have been flawless and also accurate. I've been carrying my newest member of the family lately, a SW1911 3" Pro Series custom for Lew Horton, very attractive and a great shooter as well... we like pretty guns too.. So from the perspectice of shooting, quality workmanship and flawless operation for me... the E series is a great choice I am sure you won't regret..

Now to our old eyes... I like the white 3 dot sights I have on my 1911's, my M&P has night sites that are brite in the dark and easy to see at night, I use my M&P45 for home defense night stand duty.. I don't care for the night sites during the day or at the range, I find it difficult to pick up, but then any sight is difficult for my to see, but the white dots seem better in daylite!! I purchased a Ruger Mark III with a crimson trace laser grip, love it, I can aquire a target quicker than you can blink.... bottom line, I'm looking for Crimson Trace grips for one of my SW1911's... :) If you want the laser, get it, it doesn't hinder the regular sights, you turn on the laser or not, you'll have a choice and we love choices!!

Hope this helps...

oh ya, here's a little peep at my 45 semi collection..

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and here's my current carry SW1911 3" Pro

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Get a used 4516-1 or -2 and forget the 1911 for CCW.. Your chances to live are better.. If you ever need to use it.. CCW is to Survive..
 
Welcome to the forum, Geo. It's never too late to start shootin'. If you're lookin' for a .44 Magnum, you buy a S&W Model 29, NOT a Colt. If you're lookin' for a 1911, you buy a COLT 1911--anything else is a copy. Ya get the picture ? ?
 
The 1911 is a great gun I have 2. the standard ones may not be in your best interest with the sights being hard to see and all. Kimber makes some with larger sights. Even though a laser is great and all, you need to be able to use the iron ones. the laser is still electronic and will fail at the worst possible moment. Just keep that in mind.
The M&p is a great gun, so I have heard. I am looking into the same gun myself. I am looking at the one with the safety, 5" barrel and the fiber optic front sight. this will really help with sighting in the gun in low light situations.
If you are hell bent on the 1911 and don't want to spend $1200, Rock Island makes one. They are around $400 and are standard 1911's. I have not heard anything negitive about them. If you get a cheaper 1911 just ask lots of question about the gun. there are may out there that have a closed slide assembly and may carry the 1911 name but are far from it. My first "1911" was a LLama and it was NOT a 1911. It was the worst gun I have ever had the displeasure of buying. Ruger just came out with one as well. it ius a very weel tuned piece with a very crist trigger, much like some of the high end hunting rifles, however the magazine has some issues for the first couple hundred rounds. this can be taken care of by keeping the spring compressed for about 2-3 weeks.
If you go with the M&P write a little blog on it, i would be interseted to read it.
 
Thank you all for your comments and suggestions. I have been given alot to think about while I build the war chest. When I finally pull the trigger(no pun intended) I will post my decision.
 
You have a LOT. Of choices for a 45acp...it is a great and proven round and you really can't go wrong. If you want to stick to the revolver format, SW has made some great 45 wheelies such as the 625 or the newer 325 Nightguard (which comes with night sight.). For semi autos 1911 format is great and everyone should own one or more! But there a lot of great high-cap 45s such as HK, S&W M&P, Glock, CZ, Springfield XDM, and my recent favorite..FNP45. It really all depends on what how you intend to use the gun (FNP45 too big for carry but great for HD for instance). If you are like me you will end up wanting to try most of them! Choices are great!
 
I am a fan of 3rd generation Smiths. I have a 4506 no dash, and I took it and my Para Ord Super Hawg to the range yesterday. I load the same bullet for these two guns. I think this was the first time I shot these two guns together, back to back. The contrast was interesting. I paid about 500.00 for the S&W-a good price-but not unheard of. I sent it to S&W when I got it for some minor adjustments, which cost nothing, because of the life time waranty on these guns. The Super Hawg is a 12-1300.00 gun that is extremely well made, this one with all of the extras that para puts on one-power extractor, etc. It has a 6 inch barrel, and is very accurate, and I am quite fond of it, but if something had to go, it wouldn't be the Smith! Even with the same ammo, the shooting experience was dramatically different. After a couple of mags-OK, they hold 14 rounds, and maybe that's a factor- my hand started to really hum-right behind the thumb where the shock is centered. But even with this discomfort, I shot the S&W right after the Para, and had no ill affects at all-same bullets! I could have shot another 300 rounds out of the 4506-at least that's how I felt. I now have a 4006, and a 1006 as well, and I have had a model 59 for over 25 years that is just a world class pistol, even after all of these years. Get a steel s&w .45ACP would be my suggestion. Flapjack.
 
Since you mentioned that you'd sell your Glock to get the 45, I have to ask what purpose does this gun serve? since you didn't say, I'll assume for the purpose of my response that self-defense is at least a part of it. OTOH, if your intention is to use this gun strictly as a range gun, then get what you want & enjoy it.

Parameters of the ideal self-defense handgun:

#1. It must be absolutely 100% reliable. 99.999% is not good enough.

#2. It must be as safe as possible to operate under extreme life-threatening stress. We're not talking about how safe it may be at the range; we're talking about how well the gun behaves when you are scared bleepless and all semblance of fine motor control is gone.

#3. It must be totally intuitive to operate under extreme life-threatening stress. Absolute attention is required by the situation - nothing is left over to operate the gun beyond pulling the trigger.

#4. The gun must be capable of stopping the threat - the stopping power part of the defensive hand gun; 9mm, 357-SIG, 40 S&W or 45 ACP with 380ACP & 38SPL for BUGs.

Note how stopping power is last?

Your Number One priority is "Do no harm". It's simply not OK to have any kind of "oops" that results in someone getting hurt that didn't need to get hurt. As crazy as it might sound, that includes the bad guy the instant the threat has stopped.

I carried 1911-s for over 20 years in the service, and I've owned 3 of my own - especially nice production 1911's costing $1200+. Plus, I hope to acquire some more before my shooting days are over. I shoot my customized SA Trophy Match in competition regularly. None the less, I am not a fan of 1911's for defensive use, nor Glocks, or XDs, or M&P's (even though we own 3 M&Ps) even though all of them are excellent guns. :confused:

Glocks are absolutely reliable, even if they are ugly. 1911's are not absolutely reliable, even if they are gorgeous. It's a fact of life that 1911's need more frequent cleaning and TLC in order to run right.

For example: My Springfield Trophy Match is at the factory getting a bobtail conversion & the dumbbell that packed my range bag forgot to put the Dan Wesson 1911 in it for a match last month. So, I borrowed a Kimber from one of the guys. Cool. Now, Kimbers are among the better 1911's yet they are subject to the same issues that other 1911's are. In other words, that Kimber ran so poorly, jammed so often that my total time was actually slower than I was with my 686 revolver. :mad: In this case, the problem was that the gun was OK for the first 90 rounds fired by the owner, but by the time it got to around 150 rounds during my run, it was too dirty to function properly. That's way too fussy for a defensive pistol. By comparison, I can shoot my Sig P226 for several days of 400 rounds/day in practice and then shoot it in a 200 round competition and it never skips a beat.

There are reliable 1911's out there, but they tend to cost north of $2K. Production 1911's are not assured to be reliable out of the box. Certainly, most of them are OK & the S&W's are among the better production 1911's as well as what I'd choose if I was in the market for a reasonably priced ($1000) production 1911. But, they aren't perfect, nor are Sig's, Kimber's or Dan Wesson's. Maybe someday I'll pop for an Ed Brown, though. :)

A 1911 is not on my A-list for a defensive gun - and why would I chose a B-List gun for defensive use? Not only because of the reliability question, but because IMHO that wonderfully slick trigger isn't suitable for a defensive gun.

The best defensive guns have DA triggers, either DA/DA, true DAO or long pull striker-fired (such as Kahr & Ruger). This is especially true for novice and intermediate level shooters. Extremely few people can adeptly control a fast & light 1911 trigger in a real life defensive situation when the stress level is way past anything they've ever experienced and the adrenalin and heart are pumping to the max.

The fact is that most of these situations don't require pulling the trigger. But, a fast/light trigger can easily result in an unintended discharge. Yeah, a lot of folks will say "Don't put your finger on the trigger until . . ." Well, if you are toes-to-toes with a bad guy and you do your presentation, you WILL have your finger on the trigger during last part of the presentation because you are preparing to shoot, not just flashing the gun. But, if the bad guy runs you really don't want to shoot the guy - well maybe you do. :D My point is that a good DA trigger for that first shot is best because it gives the armed citizen a last chance to not shoot. Since most defense scenarios are at very close range, there is no downside to the DA trigger.

A defensive gun must not only be 100% reliable and have a trigger ideally suited for defense instead of target shooting, it must also be uber simple to operate, even under extreme stress. That rules out thumb safeties. Thumb safeties are OK for experts or those that have practiced their draw thousands of times, but why? There's absolutely no need for a thumb safety on a gun with a traditional DA trigger.

So what's on my A-list for defensive guns?

Sig classic P-series - P226, P229, P239, P250, P290 (Sig P226R, P226 Elite, P6 & P232 are our choices)
Kahr - pick one (K9 & PM9/PM40 are our favorites, though the PM40 can be fussy with ammo)
S&W 3rd generation - pick your caliber, all are excellent (we have two 3913's and a 4563TSW
Beretta 92 - excellent for home defense, but huge
H&K - excellent for home defense but customer service is iffy

If it's a 45 you want, then I'd suggest Sig P220 (they come in several flavors), Sig P250, Kahr PM45 or any of the older S&W's wtih 45xx model numbers, such as the 4563 & 4566.
 
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I like my autos with a laser. I can acquire my target very quickly, know where the POA is at all times and can shoot quickly and accurately without looking for a good sight picture. I have more revolvers than autos and practice a lot with both iron sights and laser sights. My revolvers, for me at least, require better trigger control with the DA pull to be accurate as compared with a good SA auto trigger so I shoot them as well as autos every trip to the range. Throw a laser sight on top of good trigger control with a good auto and I do some of my best defensive type shooting. Lasers aren't for everyone but like 'em.

All configurations come with compromises. One post mentioned that the laser gives up your location. That may be true but if I ever have to unholster my defense weapon the bad guy is going to know where I am very quickly regardless. Another said that I will be in trouble depending on a laser if it ever fails...I think I can send rounds down range without it!

I don't carry my Smith 1911 but do carry my PPK/S...both with lasers. My Smith/Walther is very dependable and accurate...but the defining factor is that it fits my hand and I shoot it well. I still carry a revolver on occasion.:)
 

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