Low Recoil 12 gauge 00 BK is very hard to find

[HKSmith]

I shoot lots of reduced recoil buckshot and slugs through my Mossberg 590A1 and occasionally a Stoeger Coach Gun. They are a pleasure to shoot compared to the full power loads and both have 9 00 pellets (.33 cal) per round. If you do the numbers, the 1325 ft/sec round develops 35% more recoil energy than the 1140 ft/sec round. I'm thin and 77 years old, so my shoulder can't take more than 5 high velocity rounds, but I can shoot 20+ low recoil rounds with no problem.

The biggest difference between the Fiocchi and Federal rounds is patterning. I shoot at a reduced silhouette target at 50 feet. 10 rounds of the Fiocchi ammo will have the pellets fairly uniformly scattered around the aim point, with almost no pellets off the silhouette. The Federal rounds have the Flite Control wads which keep the pellets together. Each round tears about a 4 inch hole in the paper because the pellets are so close together. 10 rounds of the Federal ammo looks like a giant hole torn in the chest of the target.

The Fiocchi low recoil slugs are also great, with 10 rounds touching at 50 feet.

Fortunately, I'm pretty well stocked on this ammo. Not because I'm foresighted, but because I shoot a lot of it and buy about 500 rounds twice a year.

 

[Rudi]

There is very little ammo in stores. I was surprised to see a bunch of .17 cal. though. Must not be too many people who own .17s.

 

[jc2721]

I rummaged through my stuff and found a bandolier of 12 ga 00 buck that I put away for teotwawki years ago. Now if I can only find my pistol grip Mossberg 500...

 

[mckenney99]

We typically switched out our carry shotgun ammo once a year and the old ammo got thrown in 5 gallon buckets for use at training and annual qualifications. The first time there was a mix of the full power buckshot and reduced recoil buckshot in the bucket, it was comically obvious (usually done at low light) when someone touched off a full load of buckshot. A side benefit of the reduced recoil buckshot was that we got tighter patterns.

 

[Skeet 028]

Cleaninbg out the grudge today and I found a bunch of Buckshot rounds...No reduced recoil though. More'n a 100 #4 buck Remington at least a 100 2 3/4 inch 00 a few boxes of 3 inch #1 buck(older Blue Peters) a couple boxes of Win 000 and at least 100 slugs of different varieties including sabots. Good grief...What in heck do I have all that stuff for? Now I have to check the vault downstairs. I remember seeing some Paper Brennekke and some 10 packs of Winchester Foster slugs down there.

 

[chief38]

All ammo is scarce now days!

I live by "The 6 P's" which was instilled in me by my Dad......

Previous Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

 

[dmn57]

Cleaninbg out the grudge today and I found a bunch of Buckshot rounds...No reduced recoil though. More'n a 100 #4 buck Remington at least a 100 2 3/4 inch 00 a few boxes of 3 inch #1 buck(older Blue Peters) a couple boxes of Win 000 and at least 100 slugs of different varieties including sabots. Good grief...What in heck do I have all that stuff for? Now I have to check the vault downstairs. I remember seeing some Paper Brennekke and some 10 packs of Winchester Foster slugs down there.

I dug up a similar stash, though exclusively full-charge Remington 00 and slugs. Don't recall the motivation, but I musta been stocking up for something big. Reckon I'll never get around to shooting it all.

 

[Doug M.]

The better quality LR buck is known for tighter patterns - witness the Federal. It's a win-win if you carry buck. I have some, mostly 000, but my preference if I use a 12 gauge is a slug. The AR platform is a lot more user friendly, and for day to day use my first choice in a long gun.

 

[scooter123]

A couple of years back I got bored with shooting Paper so took up shooting Clay Pigeons Now I am flat out hooked on hitting a 108mm orange disk flying thru the air at speeds ranging between 0 and 70 mph. As a result I have a small collection of shotguns and load my own 12 and 20 gage ammunition.

Looked up the ballistics for that Fiocchi load and it's actually a a close equivalent to my 12 gage Trap loads that feature 0.94 ounce of #7.5 shot loaded to 1220 fps. With the Fiocchi you get a 1.03 charge of shot at 1150 fps. So it's an easy shooting load. I'll also note that there was a time when I thought shooting a heavier and faster load would better my hit rate and a 1.12 ounce load of shot at 1300 fps really doesn't hit that hard. What really hurts is a 3 1/2 inch Magnum loaded with 1.5 or 2 ounce loads.

 

[hogblue]

Nothing like hearing the action on an 870P work when you enter a building. Still my favorite entry gun. Happen to have an 18" with two shot extended mag.

Awesome fear factor

 

[Florida J Frame]

sgammo.com is showing 12 ga 00 and #4 in stock right now

 

[kaaskop49]

Interesting: during the ammo 'crunch' of '12-'13, there was absolutely NO shortage of 12 gauge combat ammo: 00 and #4 buck and slugs. Especially #4.

I recommended Hornady TAP ammo a few years ago: Reduced Recoil, 2.75" shell, 8 00 pellets @ 1100FPS. Not impressed? Me neither until I fired it at 10 yds from a Shockwave. The load made ONE hole in the paper. Would have thought a slug made that hole.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

P.S. PLEASE HELP: What does that acronym TEOTWAWKI... cited above stand for?

 

[AManWearingAHat]

Interesting: during the ammo 'crunch' of '12-'13, there was absolutely NO shortage of 12 gauge combat ammo: 00 and #4 buck and slugs. Especially #4.

I recommended Hornady TAP ammo a few years ago: Reduced Recoil, 2.75" shell, 8 00 pellets @ 1100FPS. Not impressed? Me neither until I fired it at 10 yds from a Shockwave. The load made ONE hole in the paper. Would have thought a slug made that hole.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

P.S. PLEASE HELP: What does that acronym TEOTWAWKI... cited above stand for?

The End Of The World As We Know It

 

[JayFramer]

Interesting: during the ammo 'crunch' of '12-'13, there was absolutely NO shortage of 12 gauge combat ammo: 00 and #4 buck and slugs. Especially #4.

I recommended Hornady TAP ammo a few years ago: Reduced Recoil, 2.75" shell, 8 00 pellets @ 1100FPS. Not impressed? Me neither until I fired it at 10 yds from a Shockwave. The load made ONE hole in the paper. Would have thought a slug made that hole.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

P.S. PLEASE HELP: What does that acronym TEOTWAWKI... cited above stand for?

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[Skeet 028]

In some of the rousting around

I was down in the vault and ran up on some more Buckshot rounds and a 25 round box of Slugs I didn't even know I had. They are reduced weight slugs from Remington..called sabots and are 5/8 ounce low splatter slugs in a star crimped shells. 5/8 ounce at 1800 FPS sure don't seem like low recoil to me..I have never shot one of these slugs so don't know. Also found some BRI slugs and some Active buckshot loads....alcan shells made by S&W-F and other S&W stuff too. Will post a pic later..just some odds and ends

 

[charlie sherrill]

A good friend at a local PD might be able to "lend" you a few rounds.

 

[thebolt]

Location means everything in today's circumstances and market conditions.

I work in a small firearms store in a small town about 25 miles outside of Denver and we have lots guns and ammo. We can't compete with the pricing of bass pro or similar stores but we have 12 gauge of most varieties including buck, higher quality 223, 9mm, and 40 rounds on the shelves. The metro shops were overrun and have no ammo inventory (from what I heard) but we only had a few days of the exhaustive run on guns and ammo.

 

[kaaskop49]

Cleaninbg out the grudge today and I found a bunch of Buckshot rounds...No reduced recoil though. More'n a 100 #4 buck Remington at least a 100 2 3/4 inch 00 a few boxes of 3 inch #1 buck(older Blue Peters) a couple boxes of Win 000 and at least 100 slugs of different varieties including sabots. Good grief...What in heck do I have all that stuff for? Now I have to check the vault downstairs. I remember seeing some Paper Brennekke and some 10 packs of Winchester Foster slugs down there.

Is that all?? Pleasant problem to have, isn't it? Don't ask how I know.

 

[Skeet 028]

You too?? I used to shoot a little 3 inch 4 buck in premium variety. It shot pretty good. Loaded Lead T shot at one time. in the right gun an easy 100 yd goose load...even if not strictly legal. It was death on foxes out to 75-80 yds

 

[Nevada Ed]

I looked up a little recoil data on Buck shot loads..........
4 Buck usually has 21 pellets and the 000 Buck has 8-9 pellets.

4 Buck has a recoil around 66 ft/lbs...... (3/4 oz. load )
000 Buck increases to around 172 ft/lbs of recoil with 1,547 M/Energy. ( 1 1/8 oz. load )
Remington did have a managed recoil load of 8 00 Buck at 1200fps, instead of 1325fps
but I do not know if it is still made.

Lots of shooters prefer 4 Buck inside the house for SD work and
take the 000 stuff into the woods.