Low Recoil Revolver

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Family member is asking for help with a handgun.
Smaller hands AND VERy RECOIL Shy. A non-shooter who wants to get some training and will practice some. Right now only interested in revolvers.

In 38 Special anything +p hurts and is scary when using a 2 inch Airweight and 3 inch model 65.

I am thinking that 148 gr wadcutters may be the best way to go. Would consider another calibre such as .327 Federal but I have zero experience and can not find a rental.

If you have ideas to share, lets kick options around.
Thank you
 
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Glad you responded.
Something such as a Ruger LCR in .22 LR is in my thinking.
LCR seems to be one of the lighter factory trigger pulls.
CCI mini mag in the craw is more than nothing.

I know the drill...22 is not a defense round etc. As you said..."work them up as they are ready"is wise!
 
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Family member is asking for help with a handgun.
Smaller hands AND VERy RECOIL Shy. A non-shooter who wants to get some training and will practice some. Right now only interested in revolvers.

In 38 Special anything +p hurts and is scary when using a 2 inch Airweight and 3 inch model 65.

I am thinking that 148 gr wadcutters may be the best way to go. Would consider another calibre such as .327 Federal but I have zero experience and can not find a rental.

If you have ideas to share, lets kick options around.
Thank you

A 327 Federal is a Magnum round. +Ps .38s are a handful in a small light revolver and in her case probably would be too much in a heavier gun.

If she is going to carry size/weight matters. If just for now target practice and familiarization perhaps a K frame size something in 3'' or 4'' that will mitigate the recoil.

Your wad-cutters are a good thought and there is the 130 grain .38 load. Light and easy to shoot especially in a medium frame gun . Note the 130s are a FMJ and not a good defense round
 
Do you reload? You can make up some very mild 38 Special loads with cast bullets that almost anyone can handle with a lot less recoil than +P loads.
 
I have gun-shy prospective students who have been stalling and stalling because I refuse to start them out on the state carry course with small center fires. If they never shot anything (or very little), basic pistol on .22s is the way to go. The basic center fire with light loads.
Then defensive class.
I've got their number: they want to shoot as little as possible, then get a carry license for a gun they can't (won't) shoot. Another Oklahoma instructor refers to this as "wanting a gun as a magic talisman, not as a weapon."
 
If they are not planning to carry concealed, they may be happier with something like a Ruger GP100. The ability to shoot either single or double action, along with a longer barrel for better accuracy when learning, may be a better fit than something like the LCR. Just my $0.02 worth.
 
possibly a Smith and Wesson 351 , either PD or C . 22 mag with the short barrel offerings by Speer {Gold Dot} or Hornady
 
In that same setting my M17-6 comes out and I use some standard velocity ammo......have yet to have a newcomer not have an ear to ear grin starting with that setup....sometimes my Ruger Single Six does that duty with the same results.

Randy
 
Glad you responded.
Something such as a Ruger LCR in .22 LR is in my thinking.
LCR seems to be one of the lighter factory trigger pulls.
CCI mini mag in the craw is more than nothing.

I know the drill...22 is not a defense round etc. As you said..."work them up as they are ready"is wise!

.22lr LCR trigger pull isn't the same as centerfire LCR! Much heavier, and my understanding is that is due to the dynamics of rimfire primer requiring heavier impact than centerfire primer. Have both and found that the. 22 does help with costs of training but .38 trigger pull is noticeably lighter. Wife carries wadcutters in her LCR, and is happy with both weight of LCR and wadcutter recoil.
Regarding. 22lr for defense I heard a story about a man who was being harassed by his buddies about carrying a. 22 lr for self defense, his reply, " Heck, I'll just turn you into a lawn sprinkler! "
 
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I have gun-shy prospective students who have been stalling and stalling because I refuse to start them out on the state carry course with small center fires. If they never shot anything (or very little), basic pistol on .22s is the way to go. The basic center fire with light loads.
Then defensive class.
I've got their number: they want to shoot as little as possible, then get a carry license for a gun they can't (won't) shoot. Another Oklahoma instructor refers to this as "wanting a gun as a magic talisman, not as a weapon."

Yep on the "magic talisman" don't how many have came to my range for CCW training with that mindset. They just want me to put them on target well enough to pass the test and will probably never train again. Now that Missouri and Oklahoma are both constitutional carry states which I understand it's a bit un-nerving who out there are packing a firearm that don't know how to use it properly.
 
Walkinghorse, Mass Ayoob says the same thing about the trigger pull LCR in 22. I did not know this until you posted.
I have a 4 inch SP101 in 22. We need to try that and get some 38 wadcutters to try out. There will be a combo that works. I still ask for your ideas.

I appreciate the replies.
 
Keith44spl is right on the money. Too many times well-meaning individuals, i.e. husbands, fathers, etc., give their significant others or family members a gun that the husband, father, grandfather, etc. thinks will be good only to find that the wife, daughter, sister, niece, etc. develops gun shyness.

Ms. Judy started out with a Ruger Mk II. She loved it and was wiping out bullseyes left and right. Of course, I, thinking I knew what was best, tried to push her into a short-barreled .38. Didn't work. Oh, she could shoot it all right, but nothing compared to her accuracy with the Ruger .22.

While she will occasionally shoot a Smith and Wesson Model 19, 2½-inch barrel, she normally carries a Browning 1911-22 compact. She feels comfortable with it and easily hits the bullseye with very little effort. So, I had to swallow my pride and figure that a head shot with a .22 is better than a miss with a .357.:)

Your family member wants a revolver? You probably can't find a better one than the Smith and Wesson Model 34.
 
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Well, this the lowest recoiling revolver I have.:D

It's an ex British Service .455 that was converted to .22lr.

Being a 6 1/2 barrel N frame. It makes recoil non existant.:D

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I think an LCR in .327FM would be perfect, but not with .327 to begin with. It will shoot .32 ACP, .32 S&W Short, .32 S&W Long, .32 H&R mag, and finally .327 Fed Mag with incrementally increasing recoil. With the .32 ACP and .32 S&W Shorts, recoil is very light and manageable. Gradually work her up to get her used to the recoil. The trigger on the LCR is very smooth and easy to master. It’s a light and easy to conceal DAO revolver that can pack some major power factor man stoppers when needed.
 
Well, this the lowest recoiling revolver I have.:D

It's an ex British Service .455 that was converted to .22lr.

Being a 6 1/2 barrel N frame. It makes recoil non existant.:D

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I was kind of thinking about the GP 100 in .22..?

My go-to low recoil choice is a 4" Model 63. For centerfire one of the larger double-stack .380's or a mid-frame .38/357 revolver loaded with .38 Short Colt (reloads). I tried wax bullets but they are too much of a hassle.
 
There are some inconsistencies to balance. J frames in general have heavier triggers due to the geometry in the action. While this can be addressed to some extent, it can be a problem for some shooters. Given your description, I can see this applying to your student. Rimfires also need heavier triggers as a general rule to have the ability to consistently light off the primers in RF rounds. This can be a potential problem.

That said, to a great extent I think a .22 is a good starter gun, and less likely to generate a recoil impulse that is bothersome. The .22 Magnum is nothing to sneer at, but often a lot louder than one would expect, which can contribute to flinching and other signs of recoil sensitivity. (Good hearing protection, with plugs and GOOD muffs combined, will help.) There is a short barrel God Dot round that as I recall is designed for handgun length barrels and has more care in production to deal with the problem of rimfire primer quality control. It is designed for defensive use in a .22 magnum revolver. If either .22 is the best your candidate can do in terms of control, self-confidence, proficiency, ability to practice, etc, then that's how it goes. Good hits with that as a result of knowing anatomy and development of good mindset and physical skills beats the heck out of a wish and strong language.

Bigger heavier guns with smaller rounds will have less recoil impulse transferred to the shooter. At the extreme, a 5" N frame .357 with .38 wadcutters would be a good example. From your description of the candidate, it would be too far to the extreme. Small hands and the like implies to me a real possibility of not enough strength for that platform, too. A loser. For the reasons I describe above, a J frame might also be too far to an extreme, in the other direction. That may not be correct.

Compromise, once you get some time to start with the shooter and have her (?) develop some skill and comfort: A K frame. In all honesty, the M14 with wadcutters is really easy to shoot. It is far easier to get a decent trigger weight in a K frame than a J. It may still be too heavy. A 3" k frame is likely to be a decent compromise, especially if carry is (at least potentially) in the future. I prefer the adjustable signs on Smiths (and most firearms, especially revolvers). Not because they are adjustable, but because they are easier to see in a hurry. They are potentially less snag resistant, but that's a tradeoff that has to be considered. Most of the attributes I would consider from your description might require a custom revolver to achieve; probably not a great idea.

Among factory models that might work well, once you have some baseline knowledge about the shooter's comfort and the shooter is making progress: a 2" M15 with the smallest grips (likely rubber) you can find. While the 4" is certainly going to be easier to shoot in some ways (the 4" barrel is easier to use in terms of the sights), it may still be too heavy, and will have a square butt frame. The 2" will have the same actual mechanical accuracy potential (ergonomics will be different, but ...), a decent trigger, visible sights, and a round butt. Load it with quality .38 wadcutters (which are actually a decent defensive load if the bullet is square enough) (I prefer Black Hills; the boutique makers are likely to load it heavier). Recoil will be relatively low. Standard velocity .38 SWC are a decent load too (I have a bunch and use them in my 4" M66 for most uses), but may be too stout for the person you describe. They are a better reload than the WC, as WC are harder to get into the cylinder in a hurry. If the sights are still sub-optimal, consider replacing the front with an XS Big Dot tritium, and widening the slot in the rear sight to match.

One guy's thoughts, and worth what you paid for them.
 
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I think like a lot of the posters above.....a 22 will do just fine. I would stay with the steel framed revolvers like the 34, 63 and if she has the strength, model 17, 18, 617. I find that folks without good muscle tone can't hold the larger revolvers very well and begin shaking before they get through a cylinder full.

I have had several 22's that were semi-auto, but that falls into the advanced beginner class. I would try to avoid the Airweight, Lightweight rimfires as their trigger pull fells heavier to me.
 

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