M&P 2.0 in 10mm?

[Philadelphia Patriot]

Whatever they do or do not make in 10mm, the Sig 220 10mm is going to be hard to top. I bought one and after the first range trip, sold my Glock and Colt 10mm’s.

I bet the 220 in 10mm is awesome, but some of us prefer striker guns over hammer fired guns. For me personally, I like the consistent trigger pull of a striker over a DA, DA/S.A., or S.A. (with thumb safety). Also I find striker guns easier to completely strip and clean/service than hammer guns.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

That's very interesting. I thought S&W discontinued the 357 option due to lack of demand.

S&W never explained why the .357 SIG models were discontinued (nor would I expect them to do so).

While it may have been a lack of demand that led to S&W's decision to drop their .357 SIG models, they did have problems with the .357 M&Ps sold to the NC Highway Patrol (NCHP), and that may have just been a glitch that sped up an otherwise inevitable business decision. We'll likely never know.

That said, the NCHP .357 SIG problems were NOT resolved by S&W, despite a serious effort by S&W experts and technicians; the NCHP S&Ws were returned and replaced by SIG P226s in .357 SIG, which have been trouble-free for several years, now.

If the reason for discontinuing the S&W .357 SIG models was a lack of demand, I would expect even LESS demand for a 10mm model from S&W given the number of competing models already available.

Metal framed models are available from:

• Colt
• Rock Island
• Ruger
• EAA/Witness
• SIG Hunter

Polymer-framed models are available

• Springfield (XDm)
• Glock (Models 20 and 40)
• EAA/Witness (several models)

I suspect there are fewer potential 10mm shooters out there than .357 SIG shooters, and given that there are already a lot of 10mm semi-autos in shooter's hands to compete against, selling S&W 10mms wouldn't be a slam-dunk unless a S&W 10mm offers potential buyers some significant advantages or improvements.

Then, too, S&W seems to be doing quite well in the home-defense/self-defense, and Gun Game segments of the U.S. market, and they may have already found the best niches for their semi-autos.​

A neighbor was totally sold on a Beretta NANO until he got to a gun store and the salesperson showed him an M&P Shield. (On his job, he does home flips and rental property renovations, and he runs into some pretty tough characters, and he got his concealed carry permit to give him a bit more peace of mind.)

He's relatively new to handguns and he especially like the frame-mounted safety and how the gun fit his hand. We've been to the range, and he's shooting it pretty well.
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[M29since14]

...The super hot 10mm loads available these days push the limits of what a light weight polymer frame handgun can handle. I read about a lot of Glock 20 and 29 owners that have to use heavier springs before Underwood or Buffalo Bore will reliably run through their guns. If Smith cannot make a completely reliable 10mm M&P not making one is the right choice.

They “have to”, huh? Springfield, for one, markets a polymer-frame 10mm. Their advertising claims it has held up for 10,000 rounds, or something like that. If it had a safety lock, I’d probably buy one right now. S&W would be under no requirement to consider freakish ammunition. As long as it handled ammo that conforms to accepted industry standards, I think most of us would be delighted.

 

[Univibe]

They “have to”, huh? Springfield, for one, markets a polymer-frame 10mm. Their advertising claims it has held up for 10,000 rounds, or something like that. If it had a safety lock, I’d probably buy one right now. S&W would be under no requirement to consider freakish ammunition. As long as it handled ammo that conforms to accepted industry standards, I think most of us would be delighted.

Yes, as noted above, I just got one recently. The 10,000 round test was done with hydra-shocks, which are only a bit warmer than .40 loads. I have fired it very little so far, but all were full power Sig factory loads or my equivalent handloads. I have no use for push-the-limit booteek loads or mad-scientist handloads. The XDM 10mm is a seriously cool gun. It's the one Smith should have made.

 

[Dave Lively]

They “have to”, huh? Springfield, for one, markets a polymer-frame 10mm. Their advertising claims it has held up for 10,000 rounds, or something like that. If it had a safety lock, I’d probably buy one right now. S&W would be under no requirement to consider freakish ammunition. As long as it handled ammo that conforms to accepted industry standards, I think most of us would be delighted.

The majority of users probably would be happy but there is a sizable minority of 10mm fans that consider anything less than the sort of ammo Underwood or Buffalo Bore makes as unworthy of being called 10mm. I have not seen reports of modern guns breaking, the main problem with the extra hot ammo is it will not run reliably with some guns and for some shooters. Heavier guns seem to handle it better than lighter ones.

If S&W made a 10mm M&P that was not reliable with anything from the S&W 40 in a longer case to the extra hot loads and the SAAMI spec loads in between there are going to be complaints, probably in this forum. They might have decided it is not worth the trouble

 

[colt_saa]

Yes, as noted above, I just got one recently. The 10,000 round test was done with hydra-shocks, which are only a bit warmer than .40 loads. I have fired it very little so far, but all were full power Sig factory loads or my equivalent handloads. I have no use for push-the-limit booteek loads or mad-scientist handloads. The XDM 10mm is a seriously cool gun. It's the one Smith should have made.

A BRAND NEW Federal 10MM Auto HST load is on the way to Distributors right now

It is part #P10HST1S

It is a 200 Grain JHP moving out at 1130 FPS

If the advertised MV translates to the real world, this is going to be one great defensive round

 

[M29since14]

I think most guys approximately my age think 200 at 1200 when they think 10mm. You would think if Norma did that way back when, that the various big ammo manufacturers could do that now with acceptable pressure. 1130 falls a bit short, but at least they got the 200 right.

 

[Dave Lively]

I think most guys approximately my age think 200 at 1200 when they think 10mm. You would think if Norma did that way back when, that the various big ammo manufacturers could do that now with acceptable pressure.

When Norma printed those numbers on the box that was before YouTube existed and dozens of channels were chronographing ammo. Ammo makers still exaggerate velocity claims but not as much as they used to.

The only test I could find on YouTube of the original Norma 200 grain load was about 20 minutes into the one at [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-e3BTkzr_M&list=PLNw5las6Yz2hN2bw58cNhxfaZhJzvEi_h&index=3&t=1216s[/ame] where it was tested in a Colt Delta Elite. It averaged a little less than 1000 fps. I also found one of the 170 grain Norma load out of a Glock 20 that showed 1230 fps, about 170 lower than the velocity printed on the box.

Without having a way to measure pressure there is no way to know for sure but I think the full power loads from Sig and the Federal HST really are full power loads loaded up to the SAAMI limits. They may not live up to the legendary original Norma ammo but neither did real Norma ammo. Like most legends the original Norma is an exaggerated version of what really happened. Real ammo should not be compared to legends.

 

[M29since14]

I’ll have to see if I still have any of the old Norma 200 grain FMJ factory loads. If I do, I’ll shoot a few over the chronograph and see what it says. In any case, that Federal load of a 200 at 1130 sounds just fine for its intended purpose - and I’ll still gladly take a 5-inch M&P 2.0 in 10mm, with thumb safety, if one comes along.

 

[Dave Lively]

I shot the last of my Norma ammo at least 25 years ago. If you do find some be sure to post the results.

While I have my doubts about whether S&W will ever make a 10mm M&P if they do I will probably have no choice but to buy one. If they were making one just for me it would have a 5 inch barrel and weigh about 30 ounces empty.

 

[65Whelen]

I agree, the 10mm is seeing a resurgence. I jumped in and recently bought an EEA Witness 10mm. And some bulk ammo at .33 a piece, I don't think that's outrageously expensive. Still in the getting to know you period but so far so good. Very accurate and no malfunctions. Been wanting a 10 for awhile my choice would've been the Sig 220 SAO but they are expensive, the Witness was half the cost of a 220.

 

[Univibe]

I've shot some Sig 180 grain FMJ in mine. The box claims 1250 fps and I believe it. It feels noticeably snappier than the R-P watered down loads.

My handload is 13.5 grain AA#9 pushing a 180 grain hardcast. That's probably running 1300 or so.

I need to get off my butt and do some chronographing.

 

[bloodlord77]

One can only hope.

I bought a 357 sig full size back in 09. It has been flawless for me through 2000+ rounds. Probably the most accurate handgun I own. If S&W made an M&P in 10mm, I'd probably buy 2. I recently bought a Glock 20. Ergos are an abomination. I like the new XD 10, although I cannot make myself buy any firearm with a grip safety. They should offer their guns with an optional safety delete.

 

[lkabug]

I would jump to action should S&W offer a M&P 10mm.
I can wish, can't I?

 

[hardluk1]

If you like the grip size of a 45 acp version as the 10mm would be the same then why not carry the 45acp and shoot 45super in it as it will match what a 10mm can do with a 180/185 weight bullets 1350fps and of course the 45 can go heavier all while producing less pressure .

If you want a 4" class to 4.25" barrel then hot 40sw loads leaves little for the 10mm to do better and do it with a shorter reach grip

Wish , wish , wish but if you want a 10mm theres already plenty of choices .

 

[M29since14]

If you like the grip size of a 45 acp version as the 10mm would be the same then why not carry the 45acp and shoot 45super in it as it will match what a 10mm can do with a 180/185 weight bullets 1350fps and of course the 45 can go heavier all while producing less pressure .

If you want a 4" class to 4.25" barrel then hot 40sw loads leaves little for the 10mm to do better and do it with a shorter reach grip

Wish , wish , wish but if you want a 10mm theres already plenty of choices .

There’s a certain amount of logic in all this... a certain amount.

There may be “plenty of choices” in your view, but the fact remains that a lot of us would prefer an M&P. The various reasons have already been stated in previous posts. Besides, what’s wrong with wanting another (American-made) S&W?

 

[Christopher67]

If you like the grip size of a 45 acp version as the 10mm would be the same then why not carry the 45acp and shoot 45super in it as it will match what a 10mm can do with a 180/185 weight bullets 1350fps and of course the 45 can go heavier all while producing less pressure .

If you want a 4" class to 4.25" barrel then hot 40sw loads leaves little for the 10mm to do better and do it with a shorter reach grip

Wish , wish , wish but if you want a 10mm theres already plenty of choices .

What after market barrel are you using .45 Super in your M&P 2.0? Looking at Underwood's website it would seem 10mm is more popular then .45 Super.

 

[ukcats]

Is it here yet? Nope. Still waiting S&W.

 

[The_Truth]

I decided I'm sick of waiting so I am trading for a 4053 for BMCM to convert for me

 

[Due51]

S&W needs to move on this! I have decided that if they don't have a 5" 10mm available when I have the funds, I will get either a Rock Auto 52009 1911A2 in 10mm and get a .40 barrel fitted, or buy a Glock 40MOS and buy a .40 and .357 Sig conversion barrels for it.

I have the 52009. Love it.