M&P .40 Mag Drop!

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I just returned from a 4 day defensive handgun class so I got to put my M&P .40 through it's paces. On 2 occasions my mag dropped out! It appeared to happen both times when I loaded the magazine with 15 rounds. I didn't have the problem when only loading 14. Mine is a MPM series. I've heard about some issues with this. Is there something I need to do?

Rick
 
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I just returned from a 4 day defensive handgun class so I got to put my M&P .40 through it's paces. On 2 occasions my mag dropped out! It appeared to happen both times when I loaded the magazine with 15 rounds. I didn't have the problem when only loading 14. Mine is a MPM series. I've heard about some issues with this. Is there something I need to do?

Rick
 
Nope, not a lefty.

Actually both times it happened was during a tactical reload with 1 in the chamber. After the one in the chamber fired, just a "click" and looking down the mag was on the ground.......It only happened when I put in a fully loaded mag with 15 rounds. I did MANY reloads with 14 without a problem so I was assuming I was slapping it home OK......Maybe not if it requires more omph with 15 in.....

Rick
 
I've noticed on my M&P that sometimes that when inserting a mag with the slide closed that it doesn't always seat correctly without a little extra shove. This might have caused what you're talking about.
 
Either learn to smack the magazine in with authority or download by one round. It will seat much easier that way.
 
Any hi-cap mag needs a firm slap when loading on a closed slide. You're pushing the top round down about another 1/8". You know how hard it is getting that last round in to begin with, now think how much more pressure is needed to push it down some more. I offen download my mags in USPSA where I'm going to be making mag changes on the run.
 
I ended up with a defective mag retainer clip which was giving me the same problem. A call to Smith's customer service and they sent me a free replacement. Have not had a problem since with mag release.
 
I'll try it some more with a harder smack with 15 rounds in and see if I just wasn't hitting it hard enough. I got concerned when reading about the troubles some guys were having with mags dropping. Maybe it was just me......figures.

Rick
 
Originally posted by TeamCaptain:
Either learn to smack the magazine in with authority or download by one round. It will seat much easier that way.
+1

The problem is one of technique, not equipment.
 
Not exactly un uncommon thing to observe when shooters are being a bit 'stressed', especially to an extent greater than just standing on a firing line and doing slow-fire target shootiung.

Once someone's attention is diverted to the task of addressing courses-of-fire in a skills oriented 'defensive' training venue, it's not uncommon to see folks sometimes lose a bit of dexterity in performing and completing tasks involving fine motor skills.
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The "attention" factor can make it difficult to miss some of these sorts of things when they happen, too, and then you're behind the curve trying to identify, diagnose & resolve an unexpected problem while you're in the midst of something else.

I've watched an untold number of folks fail to properly seat a fully loaded magazine in their pistol when the slide was forward in battery in the middle of a course-of-fire when multi-tasking demands on their attention were causing their stress levels to be a bit elevated. This is right up there with them not realizing their slide has actually locked back on an empty gun and they need to reload, too.

It's much easier to get the magazine to lock in place when the slide is locked back and there's no additional compression of the magazine spring required.

When the slide is forward, though, a firm and brisk insertion technique is generally more effective than a 'simple push/shove'.

This happens with folks using rifles as well as with pistol users, too, although the magazines don't always fall free of the AR's. They generally just sit in the magazine well ... too low to permit feeding.
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As far as the magazine catch issue discussed regarding some of the earlier M&P pistols?

Well, toward the end of 2007 I was told that S&W had identified the issue with some soft metal inserts in some of the earlier vendor-supplied magazine catches. Mag catches with properly hardened inserts had been going into new production guns by the Fall of 2007. S&W was either taking any affected guns in and replacing the problem mag catches under warranty, or else were sending out new ones to anyone who felt comfortable replacing them themselves.
 
Either learn to smack the magazine in with authority or download by one round. It will seat much easier that way.

My exact thoughts, FULL mags, with the slide front, require signifigantly more force to seat.
 
Thanks guys!

It sounds much more like operator error than equipment malfunction. Back to the practice range to see if I can solve this "problem" with some more attention.

Rick
 
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